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*Mature Themes* 109: Lifeboat Ethics – Jews in the Attic and the Trolley Problem
Nate Williams and the Dangerous Life Team talk about some of the classic moral dilemmas and how they would handle them. If Nazis came to your door and you were hiding Jews in your attic, what would you say? If a loved one was tied up on a track, and some amount of people were on the other track, at what point would you allow the trolley to head towards that person? Finally, is cannibalism allowed in extreme circumstances?
Welcome to the Dangerous Faith Podcast. My name is Nate Williams. We have with me Blake, Justin, Zeke, Chloe and Spencer. We are going through lifeboat ethic moral dilemmas. That's really what lifeboat ethics is. We are presented with various difficult situations, moral dilemmas, and we walk through what would we do in those situations, and it'll range. Maybe we'll get into some serious points, but also it could be a lighthearted episode as well, just because a lot of this stuff is just so out there. But anyways, we'll start out with the Jews in the attic. In this situation, World War II, if Nazis came up to your door, they knocked on the door and they asked you hey, are you hiding Jews in your attic? You're presented with the moral dilemma Do you lie and the Jews are saved in your attic because the soldiers move on, or do you tell the truth, as we're often told to do, as Christians, and the Jews are discovered and they're taken away? Justin, I wanted to pass it to you because in the group chat you had an answer that I believe solved all of this. What?
Speaker 2:was that answer, justin, absolutely. So what he said was we've got the trolley problem and the Jews in the attic Trolley problem is next. But here's the answer you just build a track up to the attic and then it runs over all the Jews and then you know, problem solved.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that would be Justin's pioneering never heard before answer to both the trolley problem and the Jews in the attic dilemma.
Speaker 2:Then you don't need to feel guilty.
Speaker 1:That is one of the possible results.
Speaker 3:You don't have to lie.
Speaker 1:Don't have to lie, that's true, blake.
Speaker 4:Oh, are we just saying our answer now?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay, I would pull. Oh, what's that girl's name, not Reba?
Speaker 5:Rahab.
Speaker 4:Rahab.
Speaker 2:Reba McIntyre. I was thinking, reba McIntyre.
Speaker 4:Let's just say, for this example, it was Reba in the Bible. So when Reba pointed those people away to keep the other people from dying no, don't take that away from me. When Reba, oh my gosh, rahab, when Rahab, I would do that, I would pull Rahab Because it was accredited to her.
Speaker 1:So, blake, you would lie to save those in the attic. Yeah, okay, chloe.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I would say the same, and it's funny because You'd be Reva as well. Yeah, yeah, it's funny because in my devotion for today it's actually the story of Rahab, which I thought was interesting for this podcast. But, like Blake said, rahab was honored and she was listed in the lineage of Jesus, and so I don't know. To me that's just saying that it's okay in certain situations to lie to protect others.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to push back with the typical Nathan's advocate yes, devil's advocate advocate and this is where, if isaac was here, he often takes this role. But what happens to, let's say, telling the truth, and the response is this trusting god to deliver the jews, you tell the truth because it's the right thing to do, and then god would save save the Jews if that was his will. Any responses there that y'all just don't have enough faith that God will pull through if you do the right thing, which is to tell the truth to the soldiers.
Speaker 6:Well, I guess really the only thing I can think of in response to that is that God uses people like us to accomplish his plan. So, like, I get what you're saying, but at the same time it seems kind of cruel to just be like, oh yeah, they're right here and then watch them go to their death.
Speaker 4:I don't know. I just asked someone what do you think about Rahab's story? Like it was included for a reason so you would tell the Nazis at the door what do you think about Rahab's story?
Speaker 2:Like it was included for a reason, so you would tell the Nazis at the door. What do you think about Rahab's story?
Speaker 4:I would. That's exactly what I'd say to the Nazis.
Speaker 1:Hey, a Bible study might be good in that moment.
Speaker 4:Yeah, You're like, hey, I don't think that's what I would do. Yeah, Forget like pointing them to where the Jews are.
Speaker 1:This isn't you.
Speaker 3:This isn't you this isn't you, they'd probably kill you.
Speaker 2:I think Mercury is in retrograde. Right now, you're not yourself.
Speaker 1:One thing I would bring up in response to those things, those types of holier-than-thou responses. In Exodus 20, when it goes over the great commandments, I think the wording is very interesting Exodus 20, verse 16. We often think of it as thou shalt not lie, but that's not what it says. It says you shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. It's legal language and how it's been explained to me with ethics is in a court of law, with a just judge and with a jury, they deserve to know the truth. And in the court of law you tell the truth because that's the appropriate situation. Those Nazi soldiers looking to do great evil, they don't deserve the truth. The truth is not required there. It's not a false testimony if you lie to them because of their evil intentions, because it's like a court of law language that's used here. Spencer.
Speaker 3:I see the facial expression You're not convinced. No, I'm convinced. But you're saying in all circumstances, outside of a courtroom, you can lie to someone.
Speaker 1:Yes, no, no you tell –in says yes you tell the truth to those who deserve the truth, and if someone comes in with evil intentions, it is permissible to lie to them.
Speaker 4:To save a life. What if you don't know their intentions in this situation?
Speaker 1:just lie all the time like like in this situation of the nazis. We know their intentions do.
Speaker 4:We though do. Because you have somebody like Justin who agrees with the Nazis.
Speaker 3:That's why she hit his head right. I mean, you wanted to build the trolley track up there Just for peace, man.
Speaker 2:Just for peace. They're not going to be mad about the Jews in the attic if there's no Jews.
Speaker 1:Hopefully, by turning it to you, you will grant us great wisdom in this situation. I think, what do you think, Zeke?
Speaker 5:I think we are all answering like this because we get tripped up, because it's a theoretical problem for us. Now I think if any of us were put in a situation, I think we would immediately lie and we wouldn't take a second thought about it. You know, imagine one of your loved ones was the ones in the attic and they're coming to kill them. You would lie in an instance and you might be like, yeah, I probably shouldn't have lied. But my point is going to be essentially that, yes, even let's say you're wrong about the, I agree with you on the legal thing, but let's say you're wrong, let's just say lying in general is a bad thing. We would or wrong and just say lying in general is a bad thing. Could we would hopefully agree that murdering a bunch of people is a worse thing than lying.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna allow myself to do the lesser evil to protect from the greater evil. Another aspect, oh, before I get to that, justin, do you have any thoughts?
Speaker 2:it's not a good thought. It's a good thought. It's a good thought, is it?
Speaker 1:is it a thought I will have to edit out later?
Speaker 2:No, okay, no, it's not at all, so you don't got to worry about the Jews in the attic if they in the basement you put them down there, put them in the basement.
Speaker 4:That's right, let's go, I got it, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, I solved the problem. When they go high, we go low, but don't get high.
Speaker 1:that's true, that's of the devil so Justin's solution is don't hide the Jews in the attic. Hide them in the basement.
Speaker 3:That will definitely save the attic what if we put them in the bathroom or the bathroom?
Speaker 5:I think we're starting to see we can put them anywhere but the attic. So when the Nazis ask are you hiding Jews in your attic? You don't have to lie. I think we're starting to see we can put them anywhere but the attic, yes. So when the Nazis asked, because they specifically asked for the- attic.
Speaker 1:Are you hiding Jews in your attic?
Speaker 3:You don't have to lie.
Speaker 1:No soldiers? We're hiding them in the basement.
Speaker 4:Anyways, Okay bro.
Speaker 1:You good, lonely not in that attic. You good, bro the other moving in a more serious note for just a moment, we'll move to the trolley problem next. But there is a Jewish ethical principle called Pekua Nefesh, which is the overriding principle of saving a life.
Speaker 2:Justin, let me finish my thoughts.
Speaker 1:I just want to hear it in English Saving life. Oh good, that's my boo's cousin, that is Anyways. Oh good, that's my boo's cousin. That is Anyways. So the ethical principle is this where you do what you should do in most normal situations, but if there comes a time when you have to do something that would otherwise be considered bad, such as lying, the overriding principle is it's acceptable if it's to save a life. To save a life overrides the other things.
Speaker 5:Who came up?
Speaker 1:with that. It's just a Jewish ethical principle. So you say it's to save a life.
Speaker 5:What does that make me? I came up with it on my own, so what does that make me?
Speaker 1:Brilliant.
Speaker 4:You have to announce this, because it sounds like you're casting a spell whenever you say that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you come in there and say Hak. You say that. Yeah, you come in there and say Hakuna.
Speaker 1:Matata, I'm doing it to you Now.
Speaker 4:Things are floating in the room. How do you say it? Pekua.
Speaker 1:Nefesh, pekua Nefesh.
Speaker 4:Gesundheit. These are not the Jews you're looking for. These are not the Jews you're looking for. They are non-Maitic.
Speaker 1:Now alright for full disclosure.
Speaker 2:I am partially Jewish, so anyways, and Asian and Asian and Asian, nate's great grandfather was the one who came up with that rule he was talking about.
Speaker 4:Bakula.
Speaker 2:Nefesh. Hakuna Matata yeah, that was right.
Speaker 1:All right, anyways, and so that's just something to consider. Another example would be if your spouse is dying and there's only one vial of medicine you can grab, is it acceptable to steal from a store to go get that expensive medicine to save your dying spouse? People would say, yes, stealing is acceptable in order to save the life of your spouse. Just other scenarios you can think of. Alright, let's move to the trolley problem now, because we just had such wisdom with the first scenario.
Speaker 4:Dude, you knew this podcast was not going to be wisdom heavy. You and Zeke are going to have to carry this. I've had some great wisdom.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much.
Speaker 4:I'm too focused on. I just solved the whole.
Speaker 2:Thing.
Speaker 4:Ding.
Speaker 5:Yeah the ding Trolley problem. It's not as bad as Quazy Quazy.
Speaker 1:Alright with this one. There are different ways of setting it up, but, okay, a trolley is going down the tracks and eventually you have an option to change onto a different set of tracks. So you have option A, which is just keep it going straight. Option B turn it over to the side, in another direction. Ahead of the tracks, you have the person you love the most. So all of us you don't have to say it Think of the one person in life you love the most, above everyone else. Okay. Second for Zeke Zeke is holier than us, so, zeke, the person you love the second most Okay.
Speaker 5:The Holy Spirit of Patrick.
Speaker 1:Is there anyone on the other side of the tracks? Or, or, or, or? How many people would have to be on the other side of the track? Stranger friends, whatever? We can get into different specifics Before you would divert the trolley to go in the other direction. So, on one hand, you have the person you love the most. On the other hand, you have any amount of other people one person, five people, 10 people, 20 people. At what point are you like? I'm sorry, my favorite person, you have to go because the amount of people on the other side, anyone want to get us started. What kind of trolley.
Speaker 4:Is it Anyone want to get us started? What kind?
Speaker 1:of trolley, is it the? I will smush you type how fast are we going?
Speaker 4:Fast enough, fast enough, that's too complicated. What's that in minutes Five?
Speaker 1:Anyone want to give it a go?
Speaker 2:I'll say what I said earlier, nate If it was you on one side of the track, the other side could be clear and I would choose you.
Speaker 1:I'm comforted by that, but also I'm not the person you'd love the most in life.
Speaker 4:Are you sure?
Speaker 1:Yes, it's.
Speaker 4:Gamora. What if Gamora was it Everyone?
Speaker 2:could be on the other track.
Speaker 1:So how many people? 50 strangers, 100 strangers.
Speaker 4:I would say about a Walmart full of strangers. So y'all put a number of strangers.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so y'all put a number to it. Oh well, how big is a Walmart? It's the people in the Walmart.
Speaker 2:Any number greater than two is fine with me.
Speaker 1:Okay, so any number greater than two, your favorite person dies.
Speaker 2:Infinity. No, no, I would choose the other people.
Speaker 5:Wait. So if it's one person, so if it was one other person.
Speaker 1:You'd kill your favorite person. No, that's not what I'm saying. No, your math is messed up.
Speaker 4:Yes, that's what you said Carry the two.
Speaker 1:Zeke and Chloe.
Speaker 6:I have a question Are the other people strangers or are they other people in my life?
Speaker 1:Why does that matter?
Speaker 5:You fill it out, let's say strangers, you fill it out. Let's say strangers.
Speaker 1:How many strangers would it have to be before you then would pick them over? The person you love the most? Zeke, I don't have a number. So, chloe, 500 people, they die.
Speaker 4:That's just a lot of people I don't know.
Speaker 6:This is what we're talking about. I don't have an answer All right Zeke?
Speaker 5:Are the people on the other side saved?
Speaker 1:We have no idea.
Speaker 5:Do I have time to preach the gospel before they get run over.
Speaker 1:Let's see you're going down the track. You have a few seconds.
Speaker 4:That's a good factor I can make this work.
Speaker 5:Let's see.
Speaker 3:Dude the best answer is you just hit the person at you, love? Do I have a megaphone where, if there's like a billion people, they can all hear me have?
Speaker 1:you accepted. They have a few seconds to decide. Is that enough?
Speaker 4:Guys, just be honest. We would hit the person that we love because, as Christians, we know the person that we love are saved. I would.
Speaker 1:Hey, that is for the first time in this topic, that is a great thought.
Speaker 4:That's a good point. The person I love is saved, so I would hit that person rather than kill somebody who I have no idea about their salvation.
Speaker 1:So that's a good answer. If the person you love the most is saved, you know you're going to see them in heaven.
Speaker 3:Can I get on the track with my favorite person?
Speaker 1:No, so you would kill both of you?
Speaker 6:Oh, dude, I've done that I'd rather die with my favorite person than kill my favorite person and live without them.
Speaker 4:Oh, Justin's got the answer.
Speaker 6:Why he?
Speaker 4:and Zeke are going down together, so you would, just so you'd commit suicide.
Speaker 6:Yeah, because we get to go to heaven together Instead of me having to live a life without him and be sad all the time.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Zeke. What are your?
Speaker 3:thoughts.
Speaker 6:You know there's something wrong with being sad all the time.
Speaker 3:I'm going to jump out of the train. Yeah, zeke, all right, so honestly, my answer is I don't know what.
Speaker 5:I actually do, but in theory, what Blake said, if the person my favorite person saved, so obviously if it's Chloe, sorry Chloe, I you know. If there's other people on the other side that's not saved, like there's still time for them, I don't want to kill anybody.
Speaker 1:That.
Speaker 3:There's an option Go to option.
Speaker 1:C.
Speaker 2:Here's what you do so you say you go left or right, right, you put it straight in the middle and you run right off the track. Wow, and you save them. Wow, see, I'm solving all the problems.
Speaker 3:Spencer, either way, you're murdering someone or you put a penny on the tracks and it derails. Either way, you're murdering somebody, so it's like fair. Is suicide really that bad in the midst of?
Speaker 1:murdering someone, it's adding another person. What if?
Speaker 6:you put it towards the person you love, jumped out, pushed them out of the way and then everybody's sent and this just defeats the trolley problem.
Speaker 5:Well, if you could push them out of the way, you wouldn't have the problem.
Speaker 3:Yeah, problem, I can't give you an answer?
Speaker 1:That completely, spencer. That's the cop-out. That's the cop-out, spencer, just be honest.
Speaker 2:Your answer, spencer, is you would let the track go whichever way it's already pointing, because you don't want to make a decision.
Speaker 1:But that is a decision.
Speaker 5:Look guys.
Speaker 4:First of all, none of us are train conductors. I don't see us wearing the hats.
Speaker 5:Fun fact, they actually did this experiment on this without killing people.
Speaker 5:But what they had is I think it was on Brain Games they essentially built the trolley problem and they hired someone to stay in the control room. They didn't know they were part of the experiment and the guy told them only push this button if you need to divert the track, for some reason, and on the camera that they could see the tracks on, they put people on there just standing there and made them think that, literally, if they had to pick between five people and one person, that's traumatizing.
Speaker 1:That's an awful game it's not like a real game.
Speaker 5:Their purpose is to see what the human mind would do put in a certain situation. I'd be scarred. Oh, it'd be very traumatizing.
Speaker 6:You're going off stress too, and you don't act normally in stress, so I don't really know what I would do in that situation.
Speaker 1:So, from the sound of it, blake would choose to go straight kill the person he loves the most, because he'll see this person in heaven. Yeah so heaven, you two same. It sounds like Chloe and Zeke same. Spencer is copping out by not answering, which is a wuss thing to do?
Speaker 2:I can't do it, and then I would throw a penny on the track so it derails a train. Justin, what would you do, would you?
Speaker 1:kill some number of strangers, or would you choose to kill the person you love the most? You did say if there's more than two.
Speaker 2:I think you'd need to take off your headphones, because I told you to answer.
Speaker 1:Yes, but your answer didn't make sense.
Speaker 4:So I'm asking you to re-say it. Yeah, you're not very accurate.
Speaker 2:I guess I would do the one with the one person.
Speaker 5:Okay, what accent are y'all doing?
Speaker 4:That's just our normal accent.
Speaker 1:That's the boo-boo voice right there all right, okay, zeke, I had a thought.
Speaker 5:Yes, what was it though? I remembered it twice now, but y'all keep derailing me, sorry derailing. No pun intended I'll come back in a minute Go ahead.
Speaker 4:All right, next situation.
Speaker 1:Next question Question I'm changing this up on y'all because I just thought of it in the moment, all right.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 5:You are in oh, I remembered. Okay, wow, that was close, all right.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's happening, afterwards, though, go.
Speaker 5:Yes, so this is actually a real-life circumstance where people had to just okay. Richard Wurmbrand and his wife Sabrina I believe they were Carpenter. Yes, close enough, they were during World War II or I.
Speaker 1:They were World War II. Okay, so World. War Hold on Time out. I think they were afterwards during the communist reign.
Speaker 5:Yeah, anyways, still post-World War II, there's people getting picked up on the street, taken to camps, tortured, beaten and stuff. And I think there's at some point where they agreed with each other like, hey, we're not going to talk, no matter if they threaten, if they are torturing the other one of us, we don't talk, the lives of all these other people are more important. Other one of us, like, we don't talk, like the lives all these other people are more important than one of us dying and honestly like that. Both of them went through and they've been tortured a ton and they never talked through the entire thing. So, like just at the start of before this ever happened, they agreed like we're christians, we die, it's all gain, we get to go to heaven. Um, yes, we'll'll miss each other, but it's better that one of us die than they kill hundreds of thousands of other people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that. I appreciate that story. Incredible story. If you haven't heard about it, I know Zeke loves the Richard Wurmbrand testimony. Just a phenomenal book. That's a part of it, spencer.
Speaker 3:Can I put a twist on it? It's very like what if you were the person on the train tracks that and your loved one had choose between you.
Speaker 5:What would you tell them to do? I want them to pick me, pick me, hit me please, I'd probably run to the train. He doesn't need this scenario. He'll just run into a train.
Speaker 1:He doesn't need this scenario.
Speaker 4:He doesn't need the option. One train my loved one doesn't have to be driving the train.
Speaker 1:One train on the tracks, just I'll run towards it choose me another dilemma. This has actually happened. Alright, a group of you and let's say this friend group. Just make it real this friend group and it's a survival situation. And one person is you're out of food. One person is weaker than the rest. Let's say they're dying or they're heading in that direction. Is it acceptable for To save the lives of the people in the group, to kill the weak member who's dying? And this gets dark, but use them to help you survive for food.
Speaker 2:So eat them. Boom yes, cannibalism. Let me go ahead and tell you right now I'm a meaty boy. Okay, y'all can eat me up, y'all can do it, I would let you.
Speaker 1:Justin volunteers, are we on?
Speaker 5:an island or in a boat in this one Would Y'all can do it, I would let you. Justin volunteers. Are we on an island or in a boat? Boat Island, tundra. I don't know if it would make a difference. In a boat you can't like, wouldn't you die?
Speaker 3:If you didn't cook it, we might have to end your life, not necessarily.
Speaker 6:But hey, y'all.
Speaker 1:We're thinking ethically.
Speaker 6:Yeah, are you allowed?
Speaker 1:To do what you need to do to the body in order to eat and stay alive for longer.
Speaker 4:For me, I don't have a lot of meat, so like you're probably just going to get like a couple of but, but see, I'm not even talking about that.
Speaker 1:Would you do it?
Speaker 4:oh yeah no, if it was me, like if I was the one like, as long, like justin said, as long as you make it quick, I don't care y'all, y'all aren't I would you do it.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, I would.
Speaker 4:It doesn't had zero to Justin If Justin had 0% chance of we did it playing D&D Like literally when we were playing.
Speaker 1:So you think ethically it's fine, I've done it before.
Speaker 4:Yes, I would do it Well.
Speaker 1:Whoa, hey, Whoa whoa, whoa In.
Speaker 6:Dungeons.
Speaker 5:Dragons.
Speaker 6:Chloe here's what I would do in that situation. I would just kill myself myself. Go be with jesus so I don't have to eat a human and be on the boat any longer.
Speaker 4:No, this is not no I mean it's a cop-out.
Speaker 1:Oh it is, it is a cop-out. Hey, she answered. I said you still didn't answer.
Speaker 6:I get to be with jesus, instead of being stuck on a boat about to eat human flesh.
Speaker 1:Okay, so chloe would uh get rid of herself, all right y'all can eat me, is it? Ethically allowed in this situation.
Speaker 5:It's gross either way.
Speaker 1:Would you do it and is it allowed?
Speaker 5:I hate this one more than the other two.
Speaker 2:Just say yes, jeffrey Dahmer didn't think it was allowed.
Speaker 6:Is the person that's dying, saying yes, you can kill me and eat me. Or are they just like?
Speaker 1:I'm assuming they're out for the count.
Speaker 5:Yeah, if that's part of it. If they are cosigning this, oh gosh, it'd be so awful.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I guess it would be ethically okay. Look okay, Zeke says it's ethically okay.
Speaker 4:The eating part I'm not okay with.
Speaker 5:That's like you really gotta be in a, I'm assuming that you haven't seen land in weeks and you're all about to die if you don't do something.
Speaker 2:That's my assumption. Why can't nobody catch fish? That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 5:I mean, yeah, I would have to be desperate.
Speaker 1:I can't catch fish, just no other options is the point of it.
Speaker 5:If this is the last resort of all things. Spencer, you copped out of the last one, so you can't do it twice.
Speaker 1:Is it ethically allowed to do that to the person?
Speaker 5:We will make you do whatever you choose, all right.
Speaker 1:There is no cop out, I can't decide. Yeah, probably Probably eat the person, so ethically allowed to eat the person.
Speaker 3:Wow, I don't know if there would be any thoughts of ethics in the situation.
Speaker 5:Probably not, there wouldn't be.
Speaker 6:Honestly, we're probably all going to be hallucinating by that point. Yeah, you'd be going crazy.
Speaker 3:But outside of it, I guess ethically. I don't know if it'd be ethically right, though, but it would be like survival wise yeah but so you would do it.
Speaker 1:Okay, At least you answered Nate what would you do? Honestly, I might take the Chloe route. What was that?
Speaker 6:well, the good thing about my route is that y'all can eat me, but I think we all agree we would take that route.
Speaker 5:So let's say that only the two of us said we would. No, they all kept saying it and you're like no answer. Answer.
Speaker 1:I was wondering ethically is it? Right, I would say ethically it is acceptable again to save a life. Yeah, hakuna matata. But also I don't think I would in that situation. I'd be ready to see Jesus?
Speaker 4:I mean I agree, look, minus the eating part, because I've thought about this one a lot, because, like I'm telling you, zombie apocalypse, well, first off, my actual thing in a zombie apocalypse is I'm running head first into a zombie because I'm not sticking around to go through that.
Speaker 5:but if I had, if I had no choice but to survive?
Speaker 4:and I've thought about this situation. Like me and Justin, we were partnered up right. Justin gets bit or breaks his leg and they're like there's just no way like we're gonna be able to save. Save him, oh dude.
Speaker 2:I'm shooting. You can't save me from a broke leg.
Speaker 1:No, if you're being chased, uh-uh, I broke your pinky.
Speaker 2:Justin, you broke your pinky. I'm sorry. We're going to have to kill you, Justin, it would literally be like you break your leg.
Speaker 4:we're getting chased and you're like, pick me up.
Speaker 1:I go bang and keep running. Yeah, I would hope you would do that. I would say you gotta get rid of me, you can't be alive.
Speaker 4:I'd rather that than be my zombie. I wouldn't leave you to get mauled by the zombies. I would at least put you out of your misery first and I'd make it quick. But I'm not.
Speaker 2:Maybe I've got an.
Speaker 1:AK-47 and I can take. It reminds me of a Hunger Games situation, the one where the arena was a clock, if y'all will remember that I remember. Okay, you remember that Chloe and one of the main characters had this older lady mentor that he really loved yes. But she was kind of holding him back, yeah. So as he was running away to safety, she kind of left him and said you know, walk the other way, just as. All right, you go be safe, I gotta go.
Speaker 6:You know what's. A more recent example in a show is Squid Games. You ever go watch Squid Games.
Speaker 1:I did not.
Speaker 6:They have to do a lot of that kind of decision making where, like if there's an older, more frail person that might be really far into the game and they're about to like win or whatever, they might just choose to throw them out.
Speaker 1:Alright, Blake and Justin, I had a lot of fun with this conversation. Y'all wanna take us home?
Speaker 4:Florida's up 70-64. Let's go.
Speaker 5:They were down by 2. What?
Speaker 2:a lame way to end.
Speaker 4:Oh no, we could sing Hakuna Matata.
Speaker 5:Please.
Speaker 1:What a.
Speaker 2:What a minch-worthy phrase.
Speaker 4:Did you know Oreos were Jewish cookies? You invented the Oreo Nate.
Speaker 1:I did.
Speaker 2:Congratulations.
Speaker 1:Was that to stop?
Speaker 3:racism. I got the money from it.
Speaker 2:You are quite the minch, my friend.
Speaker 4:I don't know if you're allowed to say that that just means you're a good dude. When you say minch, I think of like a white Grinch.
Speaker 2:What Just end?
Speaker 4:it. No, I'm serious, do you not think of that? It's like a different colored Grinch the minch. It's just a white Grinch, like the Grinch is green but there's GR in front of it.
Speaker 1:Why wouldn't it be the winch, why wouldn't it be the?
Speaker 4:witch. Well, now you're getting into the weeds. Because then what if it's black? Exactly what if it's black? Say the word the blitch. There ain't no L, oh wait. Brown Blue, what color just has B? Purple, purple, the bridge the bench.
Speaker 1:I have lost my cue points, just please.
Speaker 2:Goodbye folks, bam ba-da, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. He already ended it.
Speaker 4:No, he did. No, he did. Oh, this is the outro. We're good, thank you. No, it's a Mitch, is a green grant Wait.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you had it right, you had it right Green.
Speaker 1:Goblin. What's the score of the Florida game now?
Speaker 5:7-64.
Speaker 2:Less than a minute left. Goblin these cookies. Yeah, they better win. Keep that in. That's the last part.
Speaker 1:Chloe, have you become?
Speaker 6:an.
Speaker 5:Auburn fan. How did they not score?
Speaker 6:No, he just did my bracket for my school and I want to win.