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98: Kanye West and Celebrity Conversions – Dangerous Life
Nate Williams and the Dangerous Life Team are on a Kanye Quest do their Kanye Best to explain the Kanye Mess left by Kanye West. No, I will not apologize for writing that. Also, how should we think about celebrity conversions?
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That's our intro. Can we please do Think of it? I'll even sing it From the screen to the ring to the pain, to the gain. Where's my crown? There you go.
Speaker 2:I think that is a phenomenal way of starting our episode Dangerous Faith, Nate Williams with Blake and Mariah Small crew today, but that'll be just fine. So, Blake, you started us off with a classic of a song. Do you want to tell our audience more about it?
Speaker 1:Thick of it. I don't want to give him credit though, because he's already got Prime. Everybody knows Thick. If you've been online, you know the song Thick of it by KSI. It's trash.
Speaker 2:It's so bad, but you were crushing the chorus. Do you want to do that again?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's one of those songs where it's like you just get stuck in your head whenever you listen to it.
Speaker 3:I mean it's catchy, but it's just so cringy. There's so many songs that are catchy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like any of Taylor Swift's songs.
Speaker 2:It seems like oftentimes the worse the song, the catchier it is For real.
Speaker 3:What's the science behind that?
Speaker 2:Whereas let's take a symphony you go and and you listen to an orchestra amazing, the most talented people you'll ever just get the joy of being able to listen to. But when you come away, there aren't these basic, simple melodies to latch on to necessarily. So it's an experience, it's beautiful, but compared to to Blake's favorite artist, ksi who's a YouTuber, by the way came out with a new song that is not good at all, but it just gets stuck in your head, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's because humans like simplicity.
Speaker 2:It's simple, it's repetitive and it's easy to remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, You're not going to remember an orchestra, but you'll remember I'm in the pick of it.
Speaker 2:Pop music has latched onto that psychology and there's almost a science behind melodies, yeah, certain notes, certain chord progressions, but anyways, all right, we are getting off topic just a little bit I'm not this off topic, because Kanye produces music.
Speaker 2:Oh, hey, I like that. The actual topic for today and the Dangerous Life team with me again, blake and Mariah they're going to help me talk about is Kanye West. For those of you who, let's say, haven't kept up with him, I don't blame you, but we have our Kanye expert Mariah with us, who loves all things Kanye, including every single thing he said. Right, mariah?
Speaker 3:I don't know about every single thing. Those are questionable.
Speaker 2:And then afterwards we're going to talk about Christianity and celebrity. What do we do with celebrity conversions? What do we do with their stories? Do we support them? Do we weigh, are we cautious? How do we respond when really famous people become Christians, or at least they say they are? We'll get to that in a moment, but, mariah, paint a broad picture for us, your favorite person in the universe, kanye West. All right, tell us a little bit more.
Speaker 3:So Kanye, he's a writer, producer now, I guess, adult filmmaker in some aspects, oh my gosh. So he has a wide variety of things he's into and he's been doing it since the late 90s, but he's probably one of the most controversial rappers while being the most influential rappers of this like era, I'd say, and most people in the rap community would probably agree favorite kanye song easy, do you have, okay, blake?
Speaker 2:gold digger, gold digger, all right, mariah. Any thoughts there?
Speaker 3:that's a classic.
Speaker 2:I'll say that mine would probably be um I kind of put you on the spot, didn't I?
Speaker 3:yeah, I love so many of his. Um I wonder is one of my. I like that one. It's called I wonder, uh by him. I really like um. I'll say my favorite album is I hate being bipolar. It's awesome. That's his like one of his big albums. That's one of my favorite. Probably. That's his real like, uh, lyrical, like deeper album I guess doesn't he have a song called black skinhead?
Speaker 1:am I wrong? You might be right yeah that's one of my favorite ones too. I really like that one. I have no idea I would just hope that is a song that it's it's, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fat.
Speaker 1:Check it, yeah black skinhead fact checker right here, or what was it actually called? I know, I know that I know the song, but I don't know what the it's called black skinhead. Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 2:I like that song I think for me, I have to say heartless one of his. Uh, you listen to kanye classics. I don't listen to him much, but just a couple songs why, why, because you're asian.
Speaker 1:He hates Asians. What?
Speaker 2:So, he's also um. He's come out as anti-Semitic as well. Yeah. But anyway, double whammy Anyways there was a Kanye before the craziness Right, so I think that was my favorite song. But I'm just kidding to everyone.
Speaker 1:I don't think he actually hates Asians.
Speaker 3:Bound to in ghost town. Those are my two favorites.
Speaker 2:Mariah. All right, he married someone pretty famous, didn't he?
Speaker 1:Uh, the first wife, yeah, do we talk about Kim Kim K, kimmy K Kim, cutie K Kim, full of plastic Kardashian.
Speaker 2:All right. So yes, he married Kim Kardashian. Yeah, he got divorced and then he married a Kim lookalike and then he's divorcing her. Do you know if that divorce is final yet or if he's in the process?
Speaker 3:I don't know. Last stories I was looking maybe still ongoing. I really don't know.
Speaker 1:And then also Hang on. Wasn't she the? She had something to do with Yeezys, right?
Speaker 3:Wasn't she the Like a brand or like a model? Maybe? I know she was like I thought she created them.
Speaker 1:I don't know well, obviously I mean kanye, it's kanye's brand he created, but I thought she was like the one over the main which always, which I always thought was like was there something ongoing before?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then he has said he wants to start now an adult film company, roll Tide and no. Okay don't Roll Tide on that one. We do not Roll Tide on that one, Mariah. Any thoughts?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's just interesting because a few years ago he came out with a gospel album and like Follow Jesus, Father, Stretch my Hands. All those songs.
Speaker 2:Mariah, yeah, I was going to circle back to that. So you might be thinking, in the midst of all this creating music, various relationship issues and then future career paths he is interested in taking you might be surprised to learn that at one point he identified as a Christian. He came out with a Christian album. I thought it was pretty good. Did you listen to his Christian album?
Speaker 1:I'm not into Christian rap, so but it's not really Christian rap.
Speaker 2:There's some gospel elements. I would say, give a couple of the songs a listen.
Speaker 1:I'll give a couple of songs. I remember when he did come out with that I didn't even believe that Kanye was actually Christian. I thought he was more so capitalizing on the marketability of it, so I wasn't even going to give it a listen. But I'll give it a listen.
Speaker 2:Listen to a couple songs. Some of them are pretty decent. I'm not going to say all of them are great, but several of them I actually kind of like and they're catchy and decent. He went on a tour where I guess they would visit different venues or different churches and they had this Sunday performance kind of deal, sharing the gospel. But eventually I guess he became disillusioned and he left the faith, if he ever was a Christian. And he said the reason why was he prayed to Jesus, and he said Jesus didn't answer his prayers and he kind of had to make things happen on his own. And so now he's moved into the whole realm of he is his own God, blah, blah, blah. The rest of it, all that stuff. So all this is to say when we think of celebrities becoming Christians, how should we respond to that? Think of? There's also Russell Brand, he's become a Christian, and there are others. They're famous conversions. What do we do? How do we respond? What do y'all think? Kanye, Russell Brand, where do we go from here?
Speaker 3:I think it depends on, kind of like, the actions that follow that. So that's a claim made and we don't know these people personally, but maybe by their actions. Like Russell Brand I know has been on some, I think maybe Christian Commentary podcast, definitely he's been speaking pretty prevalent about his faith now and stuff and although he has had definitely a shaking, controversial past also Although he has had a definitely a shaking controversial past also. But then you have people like Kanye who the actions kind of now is not really portraying like there's no fruits, I guess you could say it's not portraying what a Christian should be like, but also it's like where are we to tell what they're really like?
Speaker 2:I guess Gotcha so kind of see what happens, but also recognize that we don't know them personally. Okay, Blake, what are your thoughts? A famous celebrity says I am now a Christian. What is your response?
Speaker 1:It's kind of like Mariah I just watch and wait and see what they do with it. It's kind of like Mariah I just watch and wait and see what they do with it, because my hope is, if they actually have converted, they'll actually share more about Jesus They'll use their money to because they have a lot of money and I hope they would use that money instead of hoarding more of it up, that they would begin to shelve it out to certain charities or whatever. Not even charity work. They just they would begin to impact the world as a Christian should. And mostly what I look for is how often do they spread the gospel at this point? Because they are an influencer, they're claiming Christianity, so I want to see how much they're going to talk about Jesus. And then I also look at what churches do they go to, because the church you go to can actually tell a lot about your belief in a way, in my opinion. Like, for instance, justin Bieber, he was one of those that famously converted, but he went to Elevation with Stephen Furtick, yeah. And so I was like, ok, if he's listening to Stephen Furtick, not saying Stephen Furtick, we all know who, how Stephen Furtick can be. I'm not going to. I don't want to speak too harshly on him, but you just have to. You know, you have to be aware of just like what are they doing as they claim to be Christians.
Speaker 1:It's something that I guess, as Christians, we have to be careful not to lift them up higher, not to put them in the same spot as Jesus, because now they believe in Jesus, now we have to cling to every word that they say. Because Donald Trump claims to be a Christian and I've heard some of the stuff that's come out of his mouth and I'm like that is so against the Bible, like that is so against the gospel. Not to make anybody mad if you're a Republican, but it's just we put people, when we hear Christian and we have Christian values, and then we hear a celebrity that's converted, we put them on a pedestal, like with Jesus, and I'm like we have to be careful about that because they're growing in their faith as well. I understand they're not perfect. They're going to make mistakes, just like we do, but we shouldn't be so quick to just associate them as like this is the cream of the crop, christianity.
Speaker 1:Like we have this famous Christian and then everybody flocks to them and then, just like with Kanye. Everybody was like hey, you know, kanye, he's Christian. And now look at him. And now it's like everybody's now. Now everybody was like this is so great, kanye is so great, and now he's back to doing that. Now it gives fuel for the other side to be like well see, christians are crazy and bipolar.
Speaker 2:So and that, yeah, speaks to just different With specifically Kanye. With specifically Kanye, you do recognize there are some mental issues there. He's just done and said certain things that you're like a normal person in their right mind would not do or say, and so, in addition to everything we've talked about that, we hope that eventually he gets the proper help that he needs as he continues on doing Kanye things. But anyways, I think you both bring up great points. I go for cautious optimism, cautious. I don't fully embrace someone because you don't know if there are ulterior motives. What if they're trying to sell something? What if, whether it's movies or music, there are millions of Christians in the country and if you can tap into that market, you can make a lot of money? Oh yeah, and so there's a part of me that's like all right, let's be cautious. However, then there's the optimistic side that I also want to take people at their word that they found something Right, that hopefully Jesus is changing their life, and so, until they give me reason to not believe them, I am cautiously optimistic that celebrity conversion, whoever it is, is real, and then we start to wait for the fruit. One thing that frustrates me is when new celebrity Christian converts immediately want to become leaders. This can happen with anyone, because charismatic people get put to the front of the line. If you have money, if you're famous, if you look attractive in front of a camera, they want to put you forward.
Speaker 2:But I think what I would hope, whether it's Kanye or Russell Brand, what happened to discipleship mentorship through the years? Instead of Kanye right away being seen as this Christian public figure, what about meeting privately with a good pastor over coffee talking about the basics? What about? I always use this as the example behind the scenes, sweeping floors, folding chairs, helping out with events where nobody knows you or just you're. You're away, because for some people they have a very recognizable face. But you know what I mean away from the spotlight.
Speaker 2:What frustrates me sometimes is people convert and they want to automatically lead. They'll start a ministry or do all these other things. I'm like hold on now. You barely know the basics. Just chill, learn and grow. I have an example of a good friend who he was a newer believer and just very charismatic, very smart. He immediately entered leadership positions and he quickly got burnt out because the spiritual development wasn't there. He was good with people and he was very gifted, but the theology, the Bible, the apologetics, the basics were not planted yet and he got burned out and eventually he left the faith, which was very hard to hear, and walking with him through different aspects of that. But I guess, on y'all's end, if you were talking to a Kanye Russell Brand, whoever and they're just new believers, they've given their life to Christ what advice would you give them entering this new life?
Speaker 1:That's the same advice that you told me is to be patient and to grow in it. I remember when I first really started taking my faith seriously and I don't know if anybody on the podcast or any of your listeners know, but I went from not being involved in church to now two years. Two years jump forward to now present day. I'm now one-third of a youth pastor, because we have three youth pastors on the third of the youth pastors. So kind of a little bit confusing for those, but it works at our church.
Speaker 2:He serves on a team of three people over our youth group.
Speaker 1:Yeah, best way to explain it, but I didn't when I first started, I didn't just jump directly in to serving what me and Nate kind of walked through, and it's good that would be. My advice is to one, find someone who is, when you're a new believer, who has been a part of the faith for I'd say maybe two or three years plus. Yes, I wouldn't necessarily say one year, I'd really say three years plus. Find someone who's been in the faith for a while and go under their wing and don't just anybody Trust them. Build a relationship first and if you can trust them, let them mentor you and then just be obedient to God from that point forward. Just wherever he has you say yes.
Speaker 1:Like I went from attending church every Sunday to then working in the kitchen, to then doing things outside of the kitchen, to an internship and now I'm here, and that all didn't happen at once. It was a lot of slow growing a lot of you know, a lot of grinding through things and just leaning on Nate to mentor me through all that. So I'd say find a mentor of someone who's been in the faith three plus years.
Speaker 2:Mariah, what about you If you were talking to Russell Brand and you were like all right, here's some wisdom. What would you say?
Speaker 3:I'd say, along with a mentor. I think that's great. That's what I was going to mention. But since you already mentioned that, I think the first thing really you should get like have a Bible, have a physical Bible, you know on your phone, whichever, but have and be studying in that and you know using commentary, using other versions, multiple ways of how you're understanding and getting the word, because that's the main thing that you should be following. I think so. I think that should be the foundation of first step that you should do and look for as a new believer.
Speaker 2:Get in the word. I think that's good. What I'd also advise this is for anyone find a good, healthy church. No church is going to be perfect, but don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Sometimes I've talked with people. They're looking for the perfect church that gets all the doctrine right, that serves in every way. It just checks off all the boxes. You're not going to find it because the local church is full of people like you which are imperfect, and so when you have a gathering of imperfect people, they will do things imperfectly, and so just find a good church, one that's in the word, where you can serve, get active, get involved, helping out church members yes, then also serving in the community, and so a good church will try to do both of those things, and I guess, with celebrity. One other thing I would say is online gets really nasty, and so you're going to have, unfortunately, a lot of people that call themselves Christ followers that will get really mean towards you. The Christians online will say the rudest things, just deeply disappointing, and so what I try to tell people about online stuff is that is not the real world. Get to know salt of the earth, down to earth, good people, and they're not going to be like that. They're not going to be rude, mean, nasty and the rest of it. So just maybe get off line would be best, get off the internet, get off the apps and all that.
Speaker 2:But anyways, looking to, I guess, celebrity conversions, we mentioned Kanye West. As he leaves the faith, he's already left it. We're not going to get into the answer of was he ever a Christian Deep down? We have no way of knowing he could come back, we don't know. But we're not going to get into the answer of was he ever a Christian Right Deep down? We have no way of knowing he could come back. We don't know, maybe he was never there Again, we don't know. So we're not going to get into that question. But if people want to point to Kanye and to say see, you know, look at him, look at his life, all of that's fake. Why would I want to do that? Look at how he's living now and it's really ugly. That's just how Christians are. Because he made a big splash when he joined the faith. How would you respond to that?
Speaker 1:I would point to Jesus and I would say would you respond to that? I would point to Jesus and I would say I don't worship Kanye, I don't worship Kenneth Copeland, I don't worship Mike Winger, I don't worship any of these. Whatever you think a Christian is, I worship Jesus and I point to Jesus every single time, because Jesus lived the life that I couldn't live. Kanye can't live the life that he can't save me, mike Winger can't save me, kenneth Copeland can't save me, donald Trump can't save me. Mike Winger can't save me, kenneth Copeland can't save me, donald Trump can't save me. None of these people can save me.
Speaker 1:I point directly to Jesus because he is ultimately why I'm a Christian. Now, does that mean I'm going to be perfect in everything that I do? Absolutely not. But my love for Jesus trumps any kind of love that I have for any earthly figure. Jesus trumps any kind of love that I have for any earthly figure. And because I love Jesus so much, I focus every day on living the best that I absolutely can for Jesus. And so my favorite quote is a Frank Turek quote. It's like nobody gets mad at Mozart when they play Mozart wrong, but everybody wants to get mad at Jesus, whenever we play Jesus wrong.
Speaker 3:Oh, I've Jesus wrong. Oh, I've heard that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good one that is a good one. Uh, frank Turk has a lot of good um points like that. I think that's a that is a great thing to point out that whenever people point to the hypocrisy of Christians, I always say exactly that's why we need Jesus Right. And you do the same thing with Satan. When Satan wants to bring up your past, when he wants to bring up your failures, your flaws, your habits, the rest of it, the things that you're trying to change, you point him to Jesus and you say I know I'm imperfect, I know I'm not going to get it right, but thank God our salvation does not depend on us, because if it did, we would lose on immediately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're done, we're done, we're fried, we're cooked, we are cooked, stick a fork in it, and so we go to Jesus because ultimately we rest in his righteousness and his perfection and not our own. And so another thing I also want to point out about celebrity conversions we need it because celebrities can reach celebrities. As much as I would like an audience with certain famous people, and much as I'd like to meet certain famous people, it's just not going to happen. I'm a normal, regular person.
Speaker 1:Don't ever say never. You are pretty famous here in Coleman.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not, and you're pretty hip with the young audience.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not I think Nate Williams in about five years. I'm going to be like I was on a podcast with that guy and he's like touring the world.
Speaker 3:And he's pretty famous the world and pretty famous I know man. We used to have chats with him and talk.
Speaker 1:I know I used to be able to call him. Now it just goes to voicemail. He blocked me. You used to call me on my cell phone. Hey, now, when you need my love.
Speaker 2:Anyways, drake is a whole other topic, but what I'm saying is I want Christians at every level of society because they can reach people where they are better than I can. Right, we need Christians in the warehouses and the restaurants and the schools and the businesses and the government, and rich Christians, poor Christians, middle-class Christians. We need Christians everywhere in order to evangelize where they are. So, kanye and Russell Brand and others you think of other famous Christians or former Christians they can reach people that we can't. So don't look down on celebrity conversions. I know some of them are fake, some of them are foolish, sure, but ultimately we trust that God is moving and that he is reaching people that you and I can't reach. But anyways, those are just some thoughts that I had about celebrity conversions and how to view them, how to respond to them. Mariah Blake, any other thoughts before we head off for today?
Speaker 1:How would we, how would you deal with the idea that most or how our world is like kind of marketing Jesus and like that celebrity atmosphere, Like it feels like a lot?
Speaker 3:of. I think the opposite. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think it's becoming like a fad a little bit again, like I've been hearing a lot of people just talking about Jesus, and maybe that's because, like you people just talking about Jesus, and maybe that's because, like you know, I don't know if that's like another sign that you know he's coming.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I know he's coming. So you're saying Jesus is becoming a little like a fad, like a like a fashion, like it's very marketable now, like and especially because a lot of people I guess because our world is so crooked right now and so Jesus is kind of becoming it's good. I feel I'm really optimistic about it. Like there's a lot of discussion about Jesus, especially in news and with celebrities and stuff like that. But at the same time I'm like is this going to just turn into a marketability thing? Like, how do we handle as Christians, how do we handle that Jesus being used as a marketing scheme? Should we be grateful? Should we uplift that Because his name is being talked about in these places? Mariah, what do you think?
Speaker 3:I don't know, I think it's one of those things like it could be helping people and even though we don't see it as that, just as like the celebrities reaching other celebrities, and like there has been some many positive things, like I't know if you've seen at I forget which university, but mass like baptisms and like it was a revival at like it's several universities yeah.
Speaker 3:So a lot of good things like that are happening where, yeah, maybe Jesus is the fad now, but maybe it is real to them, like I guess we could use Kanye when he released his gospel track.
Speaker 1:I'm sure I haven't listened to it, but if it's true, to doctrine and theology.
Speaker 2:Even though Kanye went off the rails, I'm sure there's a lot of people that helped and it grew their faith in some way. Yeah, and the goal is anytime there's a movement you also see this in the book of Acts. In Sunday school earlier today, we went over Acts, chapter 8, and talking about Simon and the sorcerer Anytime there's a genuine movement, you're going to have fakes, you're going to have frauds, you're going to have people that will try to capitalize off of it, but what you're hoping is that there is a core of changed lives that last beyond the moment, because we all know we've been to concerts and maybe you've been to Christian conferences and you've had these spiritual high moments. Those are fine and good. Nothing's wrong with that.
Speaker 2:But in order for it to truly matter, the next morning when you wake up, is anything different? Right? Are you a changed person? So, yes, I think you both make good points. There will be fakes and frauds, but hopefully there are people who are now different because of Jesus. But that is a good point. Maybe there are some fad aspects of it, as well.
Speaker 1:I hope I said fad F-A-D yeah, I was fixing to say you probably need an unsaved guy, did it say?
Speaker 2:fat aspects. I love fat Jesus anyways. So any other thoughts before we head off?
Speaker 3:I don't think so.
Speaker 2:Blake, do you want to take us home?
Speaker 1:tomorrow. You want to take us home. I always take us home it's your thing though. What can we talk about? Who's not here? Justin's not here to defend himself.
Speaker 2:So how would we finish the episode?
Speaker 3:We could do Chloe's beep boop, beep, boop, beep.
Speaker 1:Because it's a robot, we could do beep boop, beep, beep bop. We'll have to translate this for Chloe, yeah, yes, or still translate this for Chloe, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3:Or she'll translate it for us. You mean, that's true? Beep boop, beep, beep bop.
Speaker 1:I think we just got it there. Justin, you're beautiful.
Speaker 3:I miss you it was a popular gift.
Speaker 1:I say you love he was, he was a, he was, I was very popular he was I was homeschooled.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. I forgot about that, but you played sports. I had a phenomenal time I played sports, so he had some high school experience, so you were involved. I was very involved with the private school. I played sports for you were involved with private.
Speaker 3:Pause. You seem like a Pause. You seem like a homeschooler. That you seem like a homeschooler.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm like you have homeschool energy. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it was enjoyable. So I played sports and very involved in church and stuff, and so I had a great social life that a lot of homeschoolers don't have for various reasons, so I enjoyed it. I felt like I got the best of school without going why.
Speaker 3:So I got a lot of school without going.
Speaker 2:What so? I got a lot of public school, private school friends, yeah, and I got to do the thing. So, for instance, I had prom, I had just different parties and stuff, and obviously the sports, the games, the practices, yeah, and then active in church, you had youth group and Sundaysays and so between all of that great times, a lot of good memories, but the, the nonsense that happened during the day I wasn't there oh, true and so I could skip all the class stuff and then when people were having fun, I could jump in and so yeah, so it was nice.
Speaker 1:Why is it that some homeschool kids are like so incredibly awkward?
Speaker 3:I think because their parents don't like let them do things right. You think that's?
Speaker 2:it. Yeah, I've known homeschoolers who they have no social life, so they do their classes, their subjects, and then they're done and that's it. That's rough, interesting, and so I blame the parents in those scenarios. Get your kid active in sports, music, theater, church. If you do those kind of things community engagement, you're good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I think too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Cause we have like I'm not going to say their names, but we got some kids in youth that are homeschooled. They're awesome, Like you wouldn't even think they were homeschooled. And then I've met some homeschooled kids that come and do theater with us and it's like dude, have you ever seen a YouTube video before? Have you ever talked to somebody?
Speaker 2:And then it does matter the level of how sheltered they are. So just different variations. But I would also argue, you got some awkward public schoolers. Oh dude, a hundred percent, a hundred. Is it homeschooling or is it just? There are odd people everywhere.
Speaker 1:Maybe there's just odd people everywhere. I don't know. With homeschooling, I don't know we need to take a poll because Justin was one of those awkward kids.
Speaker 3:I think it's definitely the parents fault that. I know some homeschoolers. They're like I literally learned to read on my own. My mom didn't do anything, my parents didn't teach me anything, like I literally just had to do it all on my own and I'm like I say cap, but we we have a term for those.
Speaker 2:um they're called? Uh well, we call them as unschoolers, un unschoolers where they're not. Their parents took them out of public school but put no effort into homeschooling, so basically they're home all day, do what they want, wow.
Speaker 1:What a life I wish that was me.
Speaker 2:Initially it sounds great. You grow up and you don't know anything. Yeah, you don't know how to read no, no exposure no basic skills reading and writing. And math rough knowledge of the world, and so I don't, in my brain, I don't count them yeah I don't count them as homeschoolers, right, because I I know the right way of doing things.