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Modesty and Cussing in the Church, and Who Is Church for? 96: Dangerous Life
Nate Williams and the Dangerous Life Team talk about how to handle modesty and cussing scenarios in church, and they also discuss who the gathering of the local church is for. Is it for non-believers, seekers, new believers, and/or serious believers?
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Welcome to the Dangerous Faith Podcast. We have the team here with me Blake, chloe, zeke, isaac, mackenzie and Mariah, and then we also have our new mascot, archie.
Speaker 2:We're not going to use a person as a mascot. Zeke forgot to include john isaac. Yeah, you always forget to include him. Just because he's smaller and less developed doesn't mean he's not a human.
Speaker 1:I thought when I said mascot, you were roasting john isaac and you were pointing to john isaac. All right, so archie is our mascot, john Isaac is with us as well, and we are talking about modesty in the church and then we'll goest, you know, which is wearing certain kind of clothing or lack of clothing, that the church leaders need to confront her quickly, strongly, and I guess I'd have to relook at the tweet, but maybe leave or just handle the situation very quickly. So I want to open it up to y'all. Modesty in the church. If someone walks in, all right, and let's say they're wearing vulgar clothing picture, image, phrase or they're very immodest, they're showing a lot of skin or whatever. This could be male or female how do we address that? What do we do? We'll just jump right into it. Thoughts there, mariah.
Speaker 3:I think it depends if you're a believer or not, because a lost person is going to act like a lost person. So therefore, I feel like they're not held to the same standards as believers. So in that, since they wouldn't know, I don't think we should say anything. Maybe just not the way you would handle it to a believer, you'd handle it differently.
Speaker 1:So maybe see what the status of their faith is. Are they a new believer? Are they searching? Are they a non-believer? Try to figure out where they're at. Okay, so that's Mariah Zeke. What about you?
Speaker 2:I'm going to say I agree with Mariah but you mentioned vulgar or poor choice of what's on the shirt, not necessarily like lack of clothing, but what's on the clothing, yeah. So if it was the case like that I'm I'm gonna be a little bit more strict of if it was something like inherently blasphemous and like it's obvious, like they know good and well like what it meant, and they're choosing to come to church, I would probably say that would be a situation where, like you take them aside, like hey look, we're glad that you're here, but that's just really disrespectful, not to us but to the God we worship, and we'd appreciate if you didn't wear that in the house, if I don't know. That's where each church can have discernment, choose what to do from there, but I think that should be like a. That's at least one of the hard lines I would draw in this conversation. We can get into others later. One of the hard lines I would draw in this conversation and we can get into others later.
Speaker 1:So maybe an image itself. You'd be a little bit stronger Now. What about? People have different thoughts on modesty. So a nonbeliever might not know or think about things in certain ways, whereas if you've been a believer for a long time you might have more thoughts on modesty. So what if?
Speaker 2:someone is. They're coming into the church and they tend to oh there, john isaac goes.
Speaker 1:That's why he thinks about your voice. Yes, uh, voice, and, as they say, I have a face for radio. Um, and the whole, the whole package really, but anyways. So, um, someone comes into the church. Any other thoughts? Let's say a lady or a man, I, man, this doesn't necessarily have to be a gendered conversation. They are excessively immodest to the point of making some people uncomfortable. Mariah had her thoughts. Zeke jumped in about maybe an image he'd be strong against Blake. I would kind of against Blake.
Speaker 4:I would kind of if it was like super immodest, like if a lady or a guy came in and they were showing like a ton of skin, even if they were an unbeliever. It's kind of like with Zeke we're glad you're here, but you do understand what you're coming into. It's not like you're coming into a club, You're not coming into a restaurant. You are coming into a place of worship and we live in a society where everybody knows what's to be expected of our church. And it is true you can say maybe not, but with social media and everything and how the church has been put on blast, we do live in an age and a time where people do understand what is asked of them when it comes to the faith. So I would say, if they're showing excessive amount of skin, I would say, hey, we need to cover up or something.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and I think it also would depend on if it's their first time there, versus they've been going there for years and they've been fine the whole time, but then they show up one Sunday wearing this really provocative outfit. And also if they're a member or a non-member maybe, because I feel like most churches well, I mean churches should anyways lay out, you know, their certain standards for the church, like not telling them what to wear, obviously, but just like guiding them in that. But so they could do some other alternative, like if they see something like that, maybe just be like hey, we have a t-shirt in the back, would you mind just throwing that on, because we don't think what you're wearing is appropriate for, um, where we are and what we're doing um, I'm just gonna say, like, based off experience wise, I very, very rarely have seen somebody come in immodestly that like hasn't been going for a while.
Speaker 6:A lot of what I see is young girls wearing very, very short skirts, and I think that's where the parents should come in and say hey, you know, we're going to church, let's put I mean, put on jeans or something, but very rarely do I see somebody coming in off the street, you know, like in a spaghetti strap, tank top or even something like that. Like, I think most people are pretty respectful, but as a woman in the church, I feel like I should set the example so that younger girls see that and then also their mothers should say hey, we're not wearing that as church.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm with Mackenzie and Chloe in the sense of like, if we go to the extremes, I just don't see the extremes happening, and maybe that's just because I'm in my own little bubble, but I feel like it would be a big, maybe not, I don't know. I just can't imagine someone walking into a church with, like, a bikini on. I feel like you only do that if you're literally trying to make a statement. But I do think if we got more on the topic of what McKenzie just said, of like things that are not necessarily that revealing but they're still, like, very unwise, to be fair, it's really unwise to be at least going to church and something like that, and to be fair, I would probably go along the lines of, if I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her dressing like that in public anyways, like, just regardless of the church.
Speaker 2:I think there's it's a bigger conversation of just modesty in general that I I don't want to be too strict because in a sense, like, if I was strict enough, I would say that none of us today would be welcomed into the church, you know, 2 000 years ago or whatever, compared to their cultural standards, but at the same time, like that doesn't mean we throw out every standard. I think there still should be some kind of cultural guideline to where we say at this point it's too far, and that's where I'm not sure. But I'm open to hear what y'all think about that.
Speaker 4:This was kind of like a it still has to do with modesty, but what if we flipped it on its head and we can still stay in this conversation? But I was thinking what if a guy walks into the church high heels, fish the church high heels, fishnets, dress that comes to his knees? Oh yeah, how do we feel about? How do we feel about that? Or like if a girl comes in blue jeans, boots, blazer, dressed like a dude, guy dresses like a girl, girl dresses like a guy, how do we feel about that if they walk into the church?
Speaker 3:I still think, uh, I I would say, if it's still, if it's someone that's a nonbeliever, maybe they're new and don't? They're just there to get Christ. It's not our place to, I think, like say anything, although we disagree, and maybe you know I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would be more graceful for like, like a better word First time offender, someone who's not a Christian, and this lack of a better word first time offender, someone who's not a Christian, and this is like the first time they've ever been there. Yeah, if they keep coming back and it becomes a reoccurring thing, like hey, no, she didn't come in. And like they come to small groups, they see everyone else dressed more appropriate, like if this is a common thing, someone close to them needs to talk to them. And if that person, someone close to him, won't, then you know, maybe someone like a leader or a whether it could be a sunday school leader or someone, someone in church that was that's in their group go up to them or someone they know like hey, I've noticed so and so constantly wears inappropriate stuff. Like you know, we want her here, but like, can she not? He or she?
Speaker 2:Yeah, y'all said guy or girl like he or she, can they not do that? I say I keep saying she because we all know that it's probably more common for it to be girl, because guys, it's just a cultural thing for us, like guys aren't going to be as commonly revealing. I'm not saying that's a bad thing on girls, I'm just saying our culture has gone that way and that's just how it is.
Speaker 6:And I will say too, modesty is very personal, where most of the time you have to be convicted by the Holy Spirit, because there may be some dresses that I wear that wouldn't be considered immodest, but you know, immodest to culture. But to me, as a wife and a Christian and a mom, now I would think it would be you know too revealing, or you know one wrong move, and I would think it would be, um, you know too revealing, or you know one wrong move, and I do think it's personal and the Holy spirit guides us to like I think there are certain situations where we should step in but, um, you know, but I think over time as you mature, you get that discernment too.
Speaker 1:Something I've a common response from. More the grace side of things is this yes, maybe people they're wearing things they shouldn't. Maybe something is a little bit more immodest, maybe shows a lot of this or that or whatever. Immodest, maybe shows a lot of this or that or whatever. But we want people to be in relationship before we get to the rules, right. So the thought is, those who go to this side, they're more well, don't say anything, let them do what they're going to do and then, as sanctification goes on, week after week, month after month, year after year, they'll have some of that Holy Spirit conviction. So their argument would be someone comes in wearing whatever they're wearing, don't say anything and let it come up naturally, organically. Or maybe there's a sermon on the topic, there's a Bible study on the topic, and they'll learn these things on their own. What are your thoughts there?
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, I think I agree with that and I will say that modesty, especially like Zeke said, like it tends to cater more towards women because of our culture, you know, women are more over-sexualized. Culture with you know, women are more over-sexualized when you realize that God has created us women to be feminine. But to you know, cover ourselves so that we save ourselves for our husband. It's a beautiful thing, like it's not a legalistic thing. It's a thing you naturally want to do over time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, any more thoughts on this area? I could run through a couple different scenarios. Another one I think of is cussing. Let's, say someone comes in new believer, unbeliever, or just they're interested, they're curious and maybe their language isn't the way that Christians might generally talk so loud, rude, cussing but they're in church, same rule, or how do you all imagine that?
Speaker 2:Let's say kids are around. Well, if it's kids around, it doesn't matter if it's in church or not. If it's someone I know, I'm going to ask them. Hey, can you not do this around kids?
Speaker 1:What if you don't know the person? It's more of a stranger.
Speaker 2:It depends on the situation, like if there's like, even at the park, like we've been to the park, I call out people that's gonna say, at the park sometimes we'll be playing pickleball and they have a basketball court right next to it where we play, and it's a family park, like they have a playground where kids can come play and stuff like that and they'll have loud blaring music with a bunch of cuss words and blake will, most time he hey guys, he doesn't know him.
Speaker 2:He's like can y'all turn that down? There's kids over here. No to be fair.
Speaker 4:I know all those guys on the basketball court, so that's why I say it.
Speaker 2:So you wouldn't if it was strangers.
Speaker 4:No, I probably would end up saying something. It's just, I'm more comfortable because and I have, I've asked total strangers especially you turn that down Like. I'm not trying to like cause I know it. Some people say, well, it's free, whatever's free speech, free whatever. But yeah, but it's not but I'm like okay, I'm not trying to say, I'm not trying to take that right away.
Speaker 4:You can listen to whatever you want to but I just don't court and we have, you know, their parents bring their kids just to sit and watch. I hate it. Even when we're playing pickleball, if someone's on the pickleball court, it's not even the basketball court and they miss a shot and they go like oh blank blank.
Speaker 1:I'm like dude, there's no don't say that you know, don't say that in front of the kids. Yeah, now I'm going to offer the counter argument again. Okay, so you say, say, hey, watch your language, don't. Maybe don't use these certain words and all the stuff. But then what if someone says what if that's their only opportunity to hear the gospel? What if that's their first time in a church?
Speaker 2:how does me what if?
Speaker 1:what if you know they're? They're doing that and the first thing they encounter now this again just playing devil's I know y'all love that phrase, devil's advocate. The thought is, well, we'll be known for our rules instead of known to welcome them in to hear Jesus. So thoughts on that response.
Speaker 2:That's the first thing. They kind of my answer doesn't really change, because they can hear the gospel and we're not saying that they can't be saved, like if that was—they got upset about that. We could go outside and talk about it, like if I'm polite, and ask like hey, there's kids around, could you just not cuss around? I don't feel like anyone's going to come off like oh, so you're saying I can't be a Christian or not. It's just I don't want little kids having to hear this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it depends on our approach. I kind of agree with that. I don't know, if we're coming at it in an aggressive way and telling them off, they would think of it differently than just be like, hey, maybe this isn't a wise thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean I, I agree, I saw a video. That's what I was going to bring up. I saw a video of a guy. It was like a homeless guy. He walked into church and he every time the pastor would say it was a mega church, by the way, so it was a lot of people. I know the one you're talking about yeah, and the guy, just like every time the pastor would say something, he would just dog cuss like whatever, not in a bad way, not in a bad way.
Speaker 2:Uh, he would be like we would say like amen, and keep preaching, and he'd be like, yeah, instead of that, he would do it with but, but they brought, but they brought him up and it was really like they stopped the sermon.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they stopped it. They stopped the sermon and they brought him up to the front and they ended up having this beautiful moment because they didn't condemn him, necessarily, but they just asked. You know, they asked him about a story and then they brought other people, they brought a couple people up to share their testimony. Are we, I saying, are we thinking of the right video?
Speaker 2:Yeah, if it's the same one. He essentially brought him up and the pastor was like hey man, what's your name? And then, uh, he told him he's like I love your energy. I'm glad that you're here. I think God wanted you here. And then he found out that one of the church member picked him. We're not going to cuss during the sermon. We can talk about that later. I'm glad you're here. Let's just kind of keep the cussing down. Then he got to share his testimony and stuff like that, and it was kind of a beautiful moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a huge moment where Christ— he could have easily called him out and said hey, security, get this guy out of here, Right?
Speaker 4:But instead he chose to meet him. We lose grace, and so it's up to us, as Christians, to show the same grace that Jesus Christ showed us. But we also have to do stand for truth, so we can't just totally let everything slip by. If that makes sense, even if they are just a first-time offender, we do need to have that sort of maturity about us to be able to handle those situations that might be uncomfortable.
Speaker 6:Yeah, just piggy and back Piggy.
Speaker 2:Piggy.
Speaker 1:Backing on the pig.
Speaker 6:Anyways, in my experience I have had somebody let a cuss word slip and they would imagine me to condemn them immediately and judge them. But I think offered that grace because you have to think people usually cuss habitually, like it's not something. A lot of people don't just do it like one. You know once in a while People who cuss, they do it every day, in every, almost every sentence. So when they come to church and they're trying to be on their best behavior but they do let it slip one time, like I think they would expect us to be like how dare you, you know, get out of here. But when you're like, that's okay, you know, I see what you're trying to do and I know you're trying to be better and it's okay, you know. I think that shows the character of God too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think those are good thoughts. You do want to protect, let's say, little ears, and cussing by its nature is vulgar, but at the same time you recognize this is a precious soul in front of you. You want to love and steward them and hopefully they're able to hear the gospel through your church service. So I guess if y'all have any more scenarios like that, we can go over it. I thought of clothing and I thought of cussing, and I'm sure there are more out there. But unless y'all want to do that and I'm open to it, we can move to the second part of the topic, which is when the local church gathers together. Who is it for? Is it for non-believers, those who are curious, maybe new believers? Or is the local church gathering for serious believers that want to go deeper and grow in their faith? And so, when it comes to creating a church service, who do you gear it towards? Lots of different church models out there that try to do one both the other, just interested in knowing your thoughts.
Speaker 5:I would say it's for both, both people who are saved and people who aren't yet. And something I've always really liked about our pastor is he will always give some kind of gospel presentation at the end of each service. So if there are people who are not saved or not believers, then they have the opportunity to do that. But you know, Jesus said that gosh I'm probably going to misquote this so bad, but it's like he didn't come to heal the healthy people, Like he came to heal the sick and so like we're all sick in nature and we all need that, and that's kind of like what the church is, Like we're all sick, but we're all going to meet with God.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so you're saying, chloe, that I'm sick or you're sick. You're just not as sick as me. So therefore, you're better than me. Yes.
Speaker 5:Yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:It's verbatim what she said Unbelievable.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I think too. Like you mentioned different church models, I think the church is definitely for both and there's room for both scenarios in every church. So every you know every sermon where somebody who's just coming off the street, like you said, the gospel should be presented every single Sunday. That way it's, for that meets, you know, really often and where we get to grow all together.
Speaker 2:Maybe dive deeper and ask more questions that you can't really ask questions during a sermon.
Speaker 1:So there are some churches that that's what they do. They might take what you're saying to an extreme, but they'll take the service and gear it towards nonbelievers and new believers and then they'll direct people. If you want to go deeper in your faith, go to one of small groups of Bible study, something like that. They might take what you're all saying, exaggerate it.
Speaker 2:Zeke, yeah, I was going to say there's a really good video. It was called the Elephant Room and I don't know who came up with that idea, but I don't know why they never did it again. They did it one other time.
Speaker 1:I don't know why they didn't do it. I love the Elephant Room, but what happened is, unfortunately, many of those pastors fell to scandal.
Speaker 2:Well, we need it with pastors who haven't fell to scandal.
Speaker 1:Anywho, zeke, you can put it together. Nate, I haven't fallen to scandal yet.
Speaker 4:He said pastors who haven't and then you pointed to him, and then I pointed to you Gosh, wow, all right, here's a scandal. Nate beats me Just in basketball.
Speaker 1:Well Nate also edits the video.
Speaker 2:know that video? They did a bunch of series or a bunch of small videos with popular pastors and one of them was Matt Chandler and Stephen Furtick and they took two different sides. Matt Chandler took the church is for the believers and Stephen Furtick took the church is for newcomers, and I think obviously I agree with Matt Chandler. I'm going to be a little bit more strict than the 50-50 that we've kind of been talking about. It's for both. I think its main purpose is for believers. However, they should always have non-believers in mind. So if I'm splitting it up, I'm going to say around 70-30, 80-20.
Speaker 2:What I mean by that is, most of the sermon is going to be focused on Scripture, on what God's Word is saying, and we're going to be edified as believers from what it said. Non-believers can still be edified, but there should still be, like we were talking about, a portion of the message where they hear the gospel and they can become a believer. So it's both and, but I'm going to lean more towards the believer who's coming every single Sunday so that they're not just coming and hearing Christ died for them. That's great that they're hearing it. I want them to hear that on repeat. But at the same time, like we need to be fed meat, not just milk. That makes sense, like Paul talks about.
Speaker 1:So what Zeke is saying, I'm going to exaggerate it as well. One of the other models is the church is for serious believers who want to grow, and that the interaction Christians should have with nonbelievers and the curious should be people in their own private lives. So in this model, come together, you dive into the meat of things, deeper theology, and then the seeker-sensitive, inviting people in. That needs to be individual Christians in their own private lives, and so that's more done on that end. So, ezekiel, you raise your hand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say that you kind of hit my point of if someone comes back and says, okay, well, how are the new believers going to get rich? Well, one already said that there should be a gospel presentation in every sermon. But even if that wasn't the case, like if new believers aren't coming to faith, that's on us. Like, there's typically one or two pastors for a church I mean, some have more, whatever but there's only one person speaking at the church one day a week. There's six other days of the week that the people who are listening to him should be going out and preaching to nonbelievers as well. So if we're not getting new believers, that comes on us, not just the pastor, it's both. Dan.
Speaker 1:One number I saw that was very discouraging, but it just. I don't have the number in front of me so I'm not going to quote it exactly. But what it basically says is very few people evangelize as Christians. Very few people, from pastors to lay leaders to church members. It's not something we do, and so sometimes we like to put all the pressure on the church. The church service should have everything in it, and then what that does is that absolves me from all responsibility, because the pastor should be sharing the gospel. There should be good theology from the Sunday school teacher. Me in my private life, I don't have to do nothing, and so we want to avoid that as well.
Speaker 2:I'm curious as to what y'all think about this. You said we leave it up to the church and I think that kind of gets to the heart of what I'm not saying. You believe this. I'm saying that a lot of Christians, whenever they think of quote, unquote the church, they think of like a specific building but if we're being honest, like it was never described as a building in scripture.
Speaker 2:It was described as a people across all time and space, so like if it's the church's job. What we should mean is that it's our job, if we're a part of the church.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:Any pushback on that? No good thoughts. It's the people.
Speaker 2:It's really easy to, because it's the gathering, it's people, it's really easy to say oh, I'm going to church or I'm going to do something at the church, but like and I do the same thing, like it's just a way that I think we've kind of fallen away from what the church really is when we think of it purely as a place that we go.
Speaker 4:Yeah, a place that we go there. That's something I've been kind of struggling with here recently and I don't know why. I don't know why God has kind of put it on my heart but that, you know, the church does have a lot of responsibility and it's the people, it's the body. That's what the church is. And I heard an interesting video where it's like you know, people today are too comfortable with God's grace if that makes sense, Like we, we are so comfortable with God's grace so we should take it away. No, no, but I do think we can abuse it. We get to the point where it's like, well, God will just keep forgiving me, God will keep loving me, and it takes away our and it shouldn't even be called a responsibility.
Speaker 4:As a Christian, it literally is a joy to go out. I've tried to change my language on that. It's not our job to go out and evangelize my language on that. It's not our job to go out and evangelize. It is our joy to go out and evangelize because the things that Christ did for us like it wasn't Christ's job to get up on the cross, he did it because he loved us. It was a joy for him to sacrifice himself in the sense of not like joy, like he was like, oh happy. We obviously went through a tremendous amount of suffering and pain, but it's that love for us. It was never out of obligation, it was. I love you so much. This is the only way we should reciprocate that and I think as Christians that's why we are seeing such a decline in the church and in the body is we make it too much an obligation rather than a joy.
Speaker 2:I know we're getting a little off topic. The only thing I'll say on. It is just, I think you're right. I think you can back that up too with what Paul said of like I think it was Romans where he's like well, someone, he's pretending to have an argument with someone, like to make a point. He's like but what to the person who says like you know, I can just keep on sending, because grace will just abound more and more, and he's like no, stupid, don't do that.
Speaker 1:I'm paraphrasing God forbid. Now, those are good thoughts that ultimately it's so easy to look to others to say, hey, they can do the work, but ultimately God, god saved you. So you have giftings, you have talents, you have abilities. God placed you with your friends and family, your co-workers, fellow students, wherever you're at that. Nobody else has your unique mix of a situation. You're in your giftings and the rest of it, and so that's very important. We often like to point to others, but we got to look in the mirror first. But good, good thoughts, good comments all around. Anything on the two broad topics we covered Y'all want to revisit or Blake when it comes to modesty.
Speaker 4:I wanted to mention this. I think it's in 1st or 2nd Corinthians.
Speaker 2:It was actually in 3rd Corinthians. Oh, no, not the 3rd Corinthians.
Speaker 4:But for believers, at least when it comes to modesty, we always want to think about the nonbelievers, like the other people setting the example. But I think sometimes where we can fall short sometimes is we forget that we can cause people to stumble as well in the choices that we make, and clothing can very much be like that. So if you're trying, like Mackenzie said, as a wife and a mother, she might like this dress. It might be really pretty, but she knows wearing it pretty in the sense of a worldly sense, knows wearing it is pretty in the sense of a worldly sense, but she knows wearing it might give the wrong idea to maybe some young Christians or maybe some non-believers as well. So, just as Paul says, eating meat is not bad, but if we eat meat and it causes someone to stumble, if it causes your brother to stumble I'm paraphrasing Nate can edit this and talk about the verse, but I'm horribly butchering this.
Speaker 1:No, no, don't cause your brother to stumble, which is what I was going to get at.
Speaker 4:Editing Nate here. Blake actually meant.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:The whole meat-eating thing it's based on, if you know the context.
Speaker 1:First Corinthians. Yeah, yeah, first Corinthians, yeah, hey, blake, you did good.
Speaker 4:Thanks.
Speaker 3:You did good.
Speaker 2:Thanks, good boy boy thanks, oh uh, mackenzie, you can keep. You can say what you're going to say. I wanted to kind of rephrase the question of, as women in the church today who are believers, how do you use discernment into if someone, if a young girl, was coming to you of like, okay, I want to be modest, but like, how? Like, what's, what guideline, what standard, what discernment can I use to know if I'm being modest or in modest, how would you help that young lady?
Speaker 6:That's a great question and, like I said, as women, I think there is a special place for us to guide younger girls and others who may not know as much, like you said, on how to do it. And the first thing I would say is that modesty, it comes from your heart, like it's not just about wearing. You know clothes because you have to, or you know all this stuff that's where you can get into the legalism side of it, but it comes from a place of saying you know, the Lord created my body and he created it for a specific purpose and out of respect for my husband, for my children, for others. I'm going to dress in a way where I can go about my daily life and not have to worry about. You know, something that's meant for a specific person to see would be exposed. And so for me, because I mean just five years ago, I feel like I wouldn't wear some of the stuff you know that I did then and I'm sure five years from now I wouldn't wear some of the stuff I'm wearing now, maybe because it is so personal and there's different reasons.
Speaker 6:It may not be just revealing, but maybe wearing this dress makes me feel prideful about my body like makes me want to show it off in a way, if that makes sense and that in fact you know that, that it comes with discernment over time that says, okay, I'm, I'm going to donate that one or I'm going to put that one away. But, um, for younger girls, I think, just asking yourself the question of um, you know, is this dress or this shirt appropriate in most situations? So if I've been down, would I be worried about it? Or if I, you know, go to I don't know, give somebody a hug or something like practical things like that of is it going to reveal something? But also, like I said, of, is this glorifying God, even if it's, you know, not terribly revealing? Like maybe it's past my fingertips, but am I going to be sitting here thinking like, oh, I wonder if they're looking at me, or something like that? I think those are kind of the questions you've got to ask.
Speaker 1:I think those are good thoughts, and so I'll add a couple things. Yes, we want to be modest with our clothing choices, but also, I guess on the male side, it's both together. Men are responsible, women too, but you're responsible for your eyes and where you look and what you do with those thoughts. We all know the difference between you know, as humans, we have a survival instinct. You see something, you're going to have a response to it. But particularly with gentlemen, you know there's a look that's natural and then there's a coming back for more. So men are responsible for self-control, women are everyone's responsible for self-control. Everyone's responsible for modesty. Then I guess what I'll also add on the modest end.
Speaker 1:Yes, it matters the amount of skin you show and tightness of clothing. But also this goes back to 1 Timothy there was a type of modesty when it came to flaunting wealth that in those days you could have certain hairstyles that showed people, oh, this person's really rich. Or whether it's the clothing, whether it's purses, whether it's hairstyles, and the goal was I'm going to wear certain things, I'm going to do my hair a certain way to show that I'm really rich, and it was kind of like a status symbol, and Paul called that. That was immodest as well. So, with modesty, yes, it's clothing, but it's also the way you carry yourself, um, for for guys it might be a car that if you get some sort of sports car or rolex watch, you do it to communicate to others. Look how rich I am.
Speaker 1:That's also immodest. And so, uh, yeah, what's it called? Uh, the shudor sanders. Oh, my gosh, dude, he has this celebration about. You know, he has a really nice watch, and so he does this. For those of you not watching, the celebration is just pointing to your wrist, but anyways, and so that's a level of immodesty as well. So it's more than clothing, it's more than skin. Ultimately, it comes back to what Mackenzie's saying it is a mindset, it's a heart set of trying to glorify God as opposed to drawing attention to yourself.
Speaker 4:Blake, that's a great point. And also, too, if you're a Christian and you just heard all that don't think, if you happen to be a wealthy Christian, that all of a sudden you're just a terrible person. You are, but you are, though, but you are. But the main thing is because I always think about that, because sometimes I fight myself and I'm like I want a truck, and trucks are expensive, and depending on what truck you get, it could flaunt wealth, but I have to remind myself it's like one. What is the reason why I need a truck? Use a sermon on that. I guess what I'm just trying to say is don't like use what you have. If you happen to be a wealthy Christian or you happen to be like a physically whatever it is something that could be used for pride, always just give it back to Christ and just try to live like a humble lifestyle. Like, don't always try to like flaunt your wealth. I guess Don't always try to flaunt your wealth. I guess Also, don't get in your head about it either. Just be humble.
Speaker 1:Do whatever you want is what we're saying. Anyways, good thoughts, blake, alright, y'all, anything finishing the conversation, anything y'all want to share? Alright, who wants to do the last few seconds of the show to sign us off?
Speaker 2:Blake does it every time. He's a fan favorite.
Speaker 1:He is a fan favorite. You know what, mariah? You've been quiet the second half of the episode. What so? Close us out, mariah.
Speaker 3:Okay, bye, everybody, stay groovy. Are you kidding me? Are we really going to end on that?
Speaker 4:No, there's a guy. His name is Paul. I'm not going to say his last name. He claims to be white. He is not. He's Italian. Don't let him fool you. Don't let him fool you. Paul, if you're listening to this, we're on to you. If Isaac was in here, he'd back me up.
Speaker 1:You know white refers to Europeans. Don't get me started.
Speaker 4:We had a huge conversation European, don't get me started.
Speaker 1:We had a huge conversation. Where do you think Italy is Zeke?
Speaker 4:help me out here.
Speaker 1:No, I'm talking about American white. You're by yourself, buddy, american white.
Speaker 4:Paul's not American white. He's white but he's mixed, but he's trying to blend in with us.
Speaker 1:There's no such thing as American white. Yes, there is, I'm American white, we're American white. We came from Europe. We are American white, you're not you. We can, yes, we can. Can y'all talk on your end?
Speaker 6:Yes, we can, yes, we can. We can talk on our end. We can talk on our end.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going to hit us with the Dr Susan. I was about to. Yes, we can. Yes, we can.
Speaker 4:I do not like green eggs.
Speaker 3:I do not like green eggs in ham. Oh my gosh, he's yawning. Look, he's so cute, sam, I am.
Speaker 4:Sam I am.
Speaker 2:And then he tries them. I hope this helps, but we're on trap. Yeah, dude, I read that book for the first time not too long ago.
Speaker 3:Is he what?
Speaker 2:Is he an Asian Isaac's? Never had green eggs and ham, did you know Mickey was?
Speaker 4:gonna eat them. They look great, don't they? I'd eat those green eggs and ham. Have you never had them? We had some fat kid ate all the green eggs and ham, Was it you? No?
Speaker 2:I didn't get a green egg, what? But Fatty McFatterson, I've never had green ham, I've just had green eggs.
Speaker 3:Are you fat-shaming people? I?
Speaker 2:am. Was the ham green?
Speaker 4:in the book. Yeah, the ham was green.
Speaker 1:Green eggs. Is the ham also green? I don't think the ham is green. Y'all can look up Google Images. I don't think the ham is green. Y'all can look up Google images. I don't think the ham is green. I don't think so.
Speaker 2:It's just green eggs.
Speaker 4:Why are they green?
Speaker 2:Well, the little fat kid ate all the green eggs. In today's episode, we'll be talking about green eggs and the ham. Green eggs and ham.
Speaker 3:Do you think the ham is green? This?
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