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*Explicit* #87: Dangerous Life – The Hawk Tuah Girl and Rock-the-South Christianity
Nate Williams and the Dangerous Life Team talk about the cultural phenomenon that is the Hawk Tuah Girl. Why did she became famous? What does that say about our culture? Also, how should the Church respond?
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Nate Williams and the Dangerous Life Team talk about the cultural phenomenon that is the Hawk Tuah Girl. Why did she became famous? What does that say about our culture? Also, how should the Church respond?
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welcome to the dangerous faith podcast and well, let's just say this has not been everyone's favorite choice of topics but I'm mine, it's mine.
Speaker 1:Uh, justin's going to enjoy this, apparently. But I'm going to talk about the Hawk to a Girl, not because I'm overly interested in her I'm really not but kind of just what it says about our culture that she's become super famous. She was just at Rock the South here in Coleman that I know everyone attended and absolutely loved in this group. But anyways, we're going to talk about just her for a moment and then make it a little bit more broadly about the culture. With me we have Zeke Blake, justin, Isaac Mackenzie and Mariah, our Dangerous Life team. And so, all right, here's the part that I'm a little worried about For those of you who aren't especially online.
Speaker 1:First off, god bless you, you're probably much happier than the rest of us. But for those of us who are not online, a lot you might hear okay, hawk to a girl, what is this? What is that? How did she become famous? And so you can't avoid the explicit nature of this thing. You can't avoid the explicit nature of this thing. So I'm going to ask someone here to explain her and her comment in the most mildest explicit way you possibly can. Justin is staring at me very intently. Are you up to the task, justin?
Speaker 2:See, here's the thing. I'm not about censorship. If I'm going to express my true self, I cannot be censored.
Speaker 1:Okay, so are you able to again to talk about this? It's going to be explicit, because that's what the common is, but are you able to just say the just plain details as opposed to riffing on it as you love to do, To do?
Speaker 2:what she is referring to when she says Huck to a spit on that thing is a is an act between two consenting adults. That would be quite pleasurable. Is what that's referring to. Is that good enough for you, mr Williams, or?
Speaker 3:should I go?
Speaker 1:into more detail. That was way worse. That was more vague than I thought you were going to go into.
Speaker 3:But that almost makes it worse.
Speaker 1:I've got it Okay. Blake's going to try now.
Speaker 4:Okay, so we need an explicit content warning on this one, okay.
Speaker 5:We will have that so explicit.
Speaker 4:So, Hawk to a spit on that thing. I'm going to use imagery Okay.
Speaker 1:We really Do. We need imagery. Yes, because it'll make sense. It'll make sense. Yes, yes, we need it. It'll make sense.
Speaker 4:So if you take a boiled hot dog and you just kind of, and you just kind of Get one of those little, so I think I'm witnessing Fergie versus the other girl there so that's not where Fergie actually sounds good compared to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just saying like mine was way better than that. There's no way to explain this thing All right, here we go.
Speaker 1:Basically, there was this uh young college age girl. She was uh on, you know, just out and about, and as often as the case with social media content, someone was like asking her a question, so someone's asking her a question, they're recording her on video about uh something sexual in nature, and so she made that comment and it's really an oral sex reference. So that's where the sound effect comes from?
Speaker 4:Oh, I didn't know, we could say sex. I would have said that.
Speaker 2:Way to go, Mr Williams.
Speaker 4:I didn't know what we were. I would have totally ditched the hot dog analogy.
Speaker 1:No, you can't now.
Speaker 2:He used the old hot dog and donut method. But anyways.
Speaker 1:and so what happened was her comment blew up and she got super famous off of it, making tens of thousands of dollars to appear at places. She appeared at Rock the South. I don't know if she made a lot of money, bless you. She made a lot of money off of that. And now there are talks about her having her own reality TV show. And now there are talks about her having her own reality TV show. And so, basically, off this one comment she got super famous. Which one? You might see the humor in that. Oh, she's just cutting up, joking around. Another part you might think oh, that's a little sad that our culture would immediately elevate someone for a, I guess, a off color joke. And then now she's famous and she's going to get rich off this, et cetera. So I guess I'm going to go from there. Why, in a world that's very crass anyways, explicit pornography everywhere people are rude, gross, all that nasty why did she get famous, her specifically? Any thoughts on that?
Speaker 6:I think it was just a mix of a few things. Since it was in Nashville, that's a very party area. Documented social media stars go to Nashville party area, documented social media stars go to nashville and since that's where it took place the interview, did I think, um, a lot of people probably that aren't followed the interviewer. He had so much big following that she just automatically it was just so big and seen by so many people. Uh, but yeah, I think that was like part of the reason that it just blew up I mean that explains, like, why she went viral.
Speaker 3:But I mean plenty of stupid things go viral every day why they not become famous. Like I really don't know the answer, like I don't understand how someone goes from a seven second clip of saying something stupid to having their whole team, pr team and all this stuff to show up at events like not even that much later. Like I don't understand, I don't know.
Speaker 2:What I was going to say before. You just completely skipped my turn. Mr Adams, we're firing you, by the way.
Speaker 3:I can't pay attention to you right now, with your cut.
Speaker 2:What he's referring to is I cut my lip shaving.
Speaker 3:Jerk. Were you watching the jerk grab it while you did it? Shush?
Speaker 2:But anyways, the reason that that girl got famous is much more simple than what everybody's saying. It is because she's very pretty and it's because she made a sex joke.
Speaker 1:It could have been any other pretty girl making a sex joke, and people would have reacted just the same, justin, but there are lots of sex jokes and pretty people out there. Why did it happen to her?
Speaker 2:As someone who watches a lot of memes and stuff like that it typically does. Now, why her? Just a little bit more than everybody else, I don't know, but like what is the one girl that catched me outside? How about that girl?
Speaker 3:Bad.
Speaker 2:Baby had a whole career because of her saying that on Dr Phil.
Speaker 4:But she ended up actually having talent.
Speaker 1:Talents were depending on if you like her rapping. It's so bad, Blake. You have some thoughts?
Speaker 4:I think the reason why she went famous is because one she's super redneck and so it's just a combination of like her. Yes, I agree with Justin, her being like. I don't think she's pretty, but like she's really not.
Speaker 1:But anyways, and I'll tell you that to your face, well, good for you because she's here right now in the studio Welcoming in, welcoming in Talk to a girl, but it's just like Southern accent, what some people would say.
Speaker 4:She's pretty. She's in a world where it's like also, too, she's talking about a thing like what do guys like? And if you look at social media, it's normally just like putting men down about something and they're like how do you keep a man? And she goes spit on that thing and everybody's just like that's hilarious. Let's replay that like 50,000 times.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that goes into a little bit of deeper waters. A couple things in defense of her One. It wasn't man bashing, no, it wasn't. It was actually help your in some way shape or form partner to feel good, doing something for your partner. So that's one way of looking at it, as opposed to being terrible. So that's an interesting comment. And another one was it is explicitly so.
Speaker 1:One thing I talked about in a couple different ways was this year's Pride Month was very toned down. I don't know if y'all noticed that it was there somewhat. But the pride commercials it was not what it's used to be, what, what, what it has been in past years. So there's been a backlash against the LGB type. Uh, I guess advertising and messaging and this was a part of that, where you had this was a very straight sexual comment, uh. And so going into other directions, people are like oh, that almost refreshing in a way. It's off color, it's sexual, it's explicit, but it's also straight sexuality, which again, where there's a lot of LGB stuff everywhere, it was almost that. That almost helped it to be more popular than it probably should have been. But any thoughts there, mackenzie.
Speaker 5:I just think that's so sad, as you're explaining it, that that is the standard for relationship, like the fact that it went viral because it wasn't, you know, bashing a man and it was just, you know, just plain, like sexual, that women think that's OK to say Like how crude, I don't know, it just is sad.
Speaker 4:It kind of it kind of like blends in with the, the girl that said the n-word. What was her name?
Speaker 1:lily gaddis, lily gaddis she has a platform.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this lady launched a tire, like it was just completely racist is what she did. But she said a couple of conservative things and they're like oh, that's free speech, like you know, it's the same. It's just kind of like that same thing. I, I guess for so long we've had the opposite Watch what you say, don't say that word, say this word, respect my pronouns. Ah, watch these two guys kiss. We've had that shoved down our throats so much it's like now we've referred it back to the other extreme, which is like say the N-word, show me heterosexual people kissing. Ah.
Speaker 2:It's awful, I get what you're saying. Let's go back to the gay people kissing.
Speaker 1:I like your message.
Speaker 2:I love your message.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I think y'all are hitting on good points, that we're swinging the other way, but too far, too far, way too far. Then we forget that. Oh, maybe, talking about the sexual acts in that way it's kind of disrespectful. That's not really a great thing to do. That's what, as Mackenzie was pointing out. But the broader conservative culture is like oh, you're a hero. So Lily Gaddis she was railing against Fauci and COVID and Biden. She says some racist things, she says the N-word. Then conservatives are like oh my goodness, she said a few things we agree with, let's make her popular. And then she did the whole podcast circuit thing. You get popular, I guess, and then you just go on various podcasts and that's what you do, and so Lily Gaddis would be another example of that. Mariah, did you have something to share?
Speaker 6:I was just going to say. I think it's interesting to just like. A lot of times, women are the ones that it's more accepted to be so, like, sexualized with everything. And it's just accepted because it's just how it is. But I don't know. I think that's just interesting to note because that is what is gets big like. If she were, I think she wouldn't have gotten big. If she would have said something like oh no, thank you, you know. Randomly like, or walked away or just said you know, no, thank you. Like this would have never happened.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it definitely accomplished, like getting attention, which I think is what a lot of women will do when they, when they revert to that overly sexualized behavior or like talking crude, like that is, they're doing it for attention, to get, you know, approval from man or other women you know, to like rally together around being, you know, super sexual and stuff, but it's just I think sometimes for for women in that kind of deal, I feel like without our society is sometimes instead of like we would have been like well, that's good, she didn't say anything bad, a lot of people would have unfortunately called her like a prude or something like that for just ignoring it, like, oh, whatever you think you're better than everybody.
Speaker 2:That happens often a lot of times when people do that stuff.
Speaker 1:So had she gone that direction? No, thank you not going to comment, walked away or something. There's a segment of people online that would have attacked her for that If they would have even included that, that's true. If they would have included it in the video.
Speaker 3:It's almost like a lose-lose Zeke you had some comments.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think we're kind of that's kind of what we've been saying is it's a part of our culture, now to the point to where it's kind of expected for women to be over-sexualized and that's how, sadly, a lot of women become quote-unquote famous or feel the need to make money off doing things like that.
Speaker 3:And I'm not even talking about the extreme cases, even something as mild, as maybe y'all can talk a little bit more to this as much as I can, of streamers or stuff like that, to where even you have male streamers and I can go watch a male streamer play video games and he might make a joke or something here and there, but for the most part it's not really a sexual thing throughout the stream. But if a female streamer comes on or anything like that, it's almost always something sexual is involved, not in the sense that they're doing anything, but you can tell that they're appealing to an audience of young boys who that's how they're getting their attention, it's because they're a pretty girl playing a video game, the two things that they like. It has nothing to do with the activity, but more with how they look or whatever. Right, am I wrong?
Speaker 2:justin blake? No, you're not. No, there's some of the biggest streamers, like pokey man, while some of her stuff's entertaining to joy and enjoyable to watch. I apologize, um, but it's mainly because she's a very, very pretty woman oh here's, I mean here's a classic example.
Speaker 4:And pretty woman oh here's, I mean here's a classic example and I don't suggest anybody go and looking her up. But there's a streamer named Morgpie Morgie Pie or something like that, morgpie, she actually will just play video games topless on stream and like stream it and so and she got incredibly. I mean she blew up. I mean she was like, I mean she was like the number something stringer and then she'll do other things, like she'll play video games, but there's a mirror in the background and so you can like see her like standing up and stuff like that. It's essentially both down to where it's, how close can I get to being pornographic?
Speaker 4:without being pornographic, without legally being yeah, legally.
Speaker 3:It's sad how common that's become.
Speaker 4:Right, but we live in a grossly, grossly over-sexualized society and you know I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I haven't partaken in that Because, like you know, we've all fallen victim to it, and it's something that you know. We struggle as guys.
Speaker 6:Yeah, maybe girls Agreeing with you on that. I was just going to say I definitely don't want to seem like we're bashing this girl because I think any of us could make a wrong comment in an interview on a street randomly. Uh, because I think she has gotten a lot of hate. I've read horrible comments like on just about her and it's just like she's just some random girl that said one thing there's no need for bullying yeah, like hateful comments what is that?
Speaker 4:what is that verse?
Speaker 1:he who cast the first, he who, without judgment, cast the first stone yes, I agree with what y'all are saying, so be kind and gracious to her. The only thing I'll say about that obviously she doesn't deserve any bullying, any, any hate stuff like that. Sure, but also she hasn't shied away from taking the opportunity to make money off of it right, so I do agree, no, no need for nasty comments, no need for any nastiness.
Speaker 1:but she hasn't shied away from it, she has fully leaned into it. So she's quickly making merchandise, traveling, she's appearing at bars and clubs. She appeared at Rock the South and so, yes, I agree, no nastiness. But also she's taking the what term am I looking for? Taking full advantage of the door presented to her.
Speaker 3:So I can only feel so bad for her.
Speaker 1:So she's a lot richer than she was before this. But I agree, as Christians, let's be kind to people online, so moving, I guess, in that direction. Church so we have various leaders here, so Sunday school teachers and people who want to or are in the ministry here as well, and people serving in different ways. When you have a phenomenon like this Lily Gaddis goes on a rant, says the N-word, but says a few things that make her popular in conservative circles the hot to a girl, et cetera, et cetera, just the whole thing how should we respond to that? What should we do when it comes to addressing culture, the way we treat people, the way we talk to one another? Any broad thoughts from a church perspective?
Speaker 4:I think we have to stand on truth and it's the truth that we've rooted our faith in If we're to be like Christ. What does that look like? And that's something that you know. It's just like what we were talking about earlier. She got to go to this Rock the South thing and if anybody with a computer can look it up or a cell phone, they'll see that we had two pastors and the guy who ran it pray over the entire event. We were talking about that this morning, yeah, and then they put a giant metal cross on top of it, but yet you're still going to invite this girl, or what she's known as. Quite frankly, what she's known as is, quite frankly, what she's known for is promoting sexual immorality. It's like what do like. I don't agree with it. I don't think we should like. For me, as a Christian, I won't support it. I won't give my money to that.
Speaker 2:I absolutely agree with Blake. We have to stand on truth. But I think we can take kind of our church's motto here, where me, blake, you and Nate go is the truth and grace. Give this woman the grace, but we stand on the truth. We do not support the things that she's talking about at all, or?
Speaker 1:what she's standing for.
Speaker 2:But we give her grace because God's given us grace.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think, as a woman, I would try and appeal to the reality of it. Making that comment comes from a place where she thinks that's the right way, or that's how it shows her sexual ethic, is showing how broken it is that having multiple partners, having one night stands, having, you know, just randomly hooking up with people. There's a darkness to it, there's an emptiness in it, there's brokenness, and just because the world lifts her up and gives her all these sponsorships and all these platforms to speak, now, that doesn't change anything. You know, deep down, you know, when you're living in sin and darkness, you can feel how heavy it is, you can feel the burden of it and as Christians, I think we should appeal to the reality of this is what God says and why he says it. He loves us.
Speaker 5:He outlined this perfect, these perfect roles of marriage and how we should, you know, engage in a gift that he gave us for a reason is to protect us from that darkness, that that brokenness, that emptiness that you feel. Because I mean, when the knot's over and she goes home, you know she's not going home with her husband, who loves her and respects her. You know she's going home alone and she's just had this encounter and she feels that and so I think, as a wife we need or you know, I would offer the joy that comes from you know, I would offer the joy that comes from being in a marriage that is secure and has a foundation of Christ, rather than you know what the world says is OK and will make you feel good, and all this stuff.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I think it's just so hard with people that get big now because they have gotten, say, famous or big off. That is the foundation of what they got famous off of. So it's kind of like, oh, I've got to keep that up, I've got to do something crazier, I've got to do something bigger, I've got to do something wilder. You can name pretty much any celebrity and that's probably happened at some point in their career. I just think that's interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so kind of, uh, diverting it a little bit, I think something that's interesting, that's been convicting for me.
Speaker 3:I'm sure y'all would agree is that the reason, like, if we think about all these different things, the reason, I think, the heart of it, of why these things become popular, whether it's this girl or some other stupid thing that we think shouldn't be popular not calling her stupid, I'm just saying, like, the fact that this is what's become popular or famous or whatever, is more, I think, looks back on us as a culture and a society than it does that person, sometimes in the sense of like it wouldn't be popular if we didn't give it our views.
Speaker 3:And now we live in a currency of views, where views are the way that we pay for things like whether that be because we have to watch ads and stuff like that, but in a sense without us physically handing over money. We pay for things with views, and the more we watch them, the more we share, the more we subscribe to them, blah, blah, blah, the more they're going to keep growing, the more they're going to keep growing, and I think that's I mean. Take, for example, the porn industry. It would be down tomorrow if no one watched it.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's the biggest industry, one of the biggest industries in the world, so obviously people keep watching it, and so I think that says more about us than it does the people in these acts, and I think that comes back to y'all's point of your church motto of trace.
Speaker 3:Trace and groove Trace and Truth. I combined them. Grace and Truth. Yeah, we stand on the truth and we also want to give grace to the people in these situations because they're deceived. They go home to these—some of them go home. You've heard witnesses from people who've been in these industries and in these situations where they tell you in the moment they say, oh, I'm happy, I'm fulfilled, this is great, this is awesome. But talk to them five, 10, 15 years down the road and someone will tell you like it was awful, it was dark, it was wicked, it was. I would never go back there in a million years. And it's just been consistent over time, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I think that those are great thoughts. And you're right, our whole attention economy is ultimately what supports this. If people did not watch it, they would not become popular. So hit the nail on the head there that the things that satisfy us, the things we look for, it's like empty, calorie potato chip type stuff that's not filling, but that's what we look for, that's what we watch, that's what we gorge ourselves on. So good point there, zeke.
Speaker 1:Continuing off of what Mackenzie said, from a church perspective, we have to offer rich, fulfilling alternatives. So Mackenzie said marriage, that's one right there. But then if you are single, living rich, fulfilling single lives of serving and loving and experiencing and building deep friendships with people, good social groups and encountering God in your life as you serve To where what happens is is the world fills up on anything from pornography to streamers to Lily Gaddis, hawk Tua type people and figures. But the church has rich families, rich marriages of people living with purpose, people living with drive, changing lives, good testimonies, obviously, above all, the worship of our Lord and savior. The world is. They'll know something's missing. They'll. They'll see the emptiness they'll feel it.
Speaker 1:Zeke referenced that as well. It's not going to satisfy them at the end of the night, when they have to look at themselves in the mirror, they'll know they're not happy. But part of that is we have to check ourselves. Are we living rich, fulfilling lives? Are our marriages healthy? How are our quiet times? Are we in the word? Are we praying? Are we doing the things that we should be doing as Christians? Because if we are living empty, calorie lives, what can we say to the Hawk Tua girls and our Hawk Tua attention economy? Will we have anything to say to them? And the answer is no. But we have to offer them Christ and the richness that is there. So that's kind of me on my soapbox. But before we finish the episode, any other thoughts? Isaac, you have been very quiet. You have anything you'd like to share, you know he comes, just taking it in Just taking it in, just taking it in.
Speaker 1:There we go, isaac. Is it because you're a big Hawk Tua fan and you're offended?
Speaker 3:No, it's because I don't know really anything about it.
Speaker 4:That's fine. The only Tua he knows is Tua Tunga Viola and how he whacks that butt against Auburn, because you're an Auburn fan. Okay.
Speaker 1:All right, there we go, we're going to wait before we pump the brakes there, tiger. I thought that was your great contribution. No, obviously not. I thought it was too.
Speaker 4:This is with what went down with Rock the South that does at the Rock the South, and I'm just going to use this as an example. It looks like I don't know if it is, but it does. It looks like white christian nationalism, where it's like we can be, okay, all of these things, and we'll just it's like we'll put the jesus band-aid on it. So we're going to have all this debauchery, alcoholism, you, whatever goes on, immorality, whatever goes on in these concerts, but we're going to put a giant cross, have a couple pastors pray over the event, which there's nothing wrong with prayer, but it just looks like it does. It looks like white Christian. To me, it's a bad example of Christianity, because people are like well, they get to be animals at this concert and all they got to say is hey, jesus, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:So the worry there is for those who cannot think critically or do not know how to their thought is oh, if I attach a prayer, god now blesses everything that's happened, it's all good, and that's called cultural Christianity. I'm going to do what I want to do and then, at the end of the day, I'll just add some Jesus and I'm good, right, and that's. That's called a cultural Christianity. Yes, I'm going to do what I want to do, and then, at the end of the day, I'll just add some.
Speaker 4:Jesus and I'm good Exactly and in that, and that's how we get. That's just how we get messed up things like that, and it just puts it puts Jesus in a bad light, and that's our hope. To me, that's one of the reasons why I'm here is to make sure that Jesus gets all the glory that he deserves. And you know, the beautiful thing is, we find out in Romans 2, it doesn't matter how much good we do or how much bad we do, you know God's going to use it for his glory regardless, because that's how God's sovereignty works. But that shouldn't be an excuse for us to just be delinquents. We should live in the richness and the fulfillment of God.
Speaker 3:All right. So, as application to close this off, I think the most important thing that all of us would agree to is that if you're in a situation where you don't have some of the things we're talking about, where there's a church, family or friends, close friends that you can lean on to give you a fulfilling life whether you're married or single or whatever is that if you will get plugged in to a local church near you and go out, try to make friends at that church, try to get plugged in. If it's not the right fit, go to another one, but don't give up that. This is stuff that we've gone through and we've experienced and we would never change it.
Speaker 1:That's a great point. Go get plugged in, exactly like Zeke said. All right y'all. I think we're gonna close out here. Blake Justin, do you have anything special for the ending of our episode? Any creed?
Speaker 4:What is up?
Speaker 1:with you and creed. That's because that's what you do.
Speaker 2:We don't like Hawk to well.
Speaker 4:Oh, that was awful.
Speaker 6:That was a pretty good impersonation, do something better, dude.
Speaker 4:Watch this guys. What that was dumb.
Speaker 2:Just end the podcast.
Speaker 4:Watch this and just end the podcast.
Speaker 6:Why would I do that?
Speaker 4:This was my last show. I'm retiring from everything. Thank you all for listening.
Speaker 1:Blake, we all make mistakes, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 4:I am a mistake. So love you, remember Jesus loves you, stay into the word and stuff. I will not be here, I'll be in heaven. Goodbye, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. This topic fires me up. What? All right.
Speaker 1:All right, hey, Chloe is asking that when she becomes a PT, she's done with her school. She wants all of us to address her as daughter.
Speaker 6:No, that is not what I said. That's what she's saying. That is so not what I said.
Speaker 1:That is exactly verbatim what she is saying. I'm not misrepresenting her.
Speaker 6:I said. The thing that fires me up is that every single doctorate, no matter if you're English, like ministry, whatever gets called Dr Blank PT does not Nobody ever calls you Dr Adams, dr whatever, to be fair. And I'm like, I'm going to earn my doctorate. What are you doing? I'm going to be diagnosing people. I'm going to be a doctor. You just bend people's arms all day in school.
Speaker 2:I can diagnose people not directly, but I can diagnose somebody right now. Nate, you have stage four retardation. We already knew that.
Speaker 6:It's fatal, I know I haven't learned about that one yet. Is it contagious? Can?