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Do aliens exist? Does the existence of aliens change anything about the Christian faith? The Dangerous Life Team dives in.
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I would never, could never or will never be anything different from where he is. That's why I said it's haptically when I'm saying that Don't get mad, Zeke is okay. Zeke, chill out, don't get mad, dude, it's gonna be okay, zeke.
Speaker 5:Zeke calm down, it's okay.
Speaker 3:Music.
Speaker 5:Aliens. Chloe, stop laughing. Isaac, stop laughing. What's so funny? We're talking about aliens today. A lot of people have a lot of different thoughts on them from the science deniers like Zeke to the worshippers' valians like Justin and the gamut in between. This is the dangerous faith show, and that's what we will be handling today. So I'm gonna just open up the floor to everyone. First off, we have me, I guess, nate, justin, mackenzie, isaac, zeke and Chloe, and so again, open up the floor. First question do we think aliens exist? Why or why not?
Speaker 2:What do you mean by aliens?
Speaker 5:I imagine green Martians from Mars.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 5:So from that definition, Isaac says no. But what do we think?
Speaker 1:Justin.
Speaker 3:I think with the universe. Sorry Nate is slamping my hand because I've put my arms on the table.
Speaker 5:I'm being very violent.
Speaker 3:Yes, he is as he always is, but I believe the possibility, with how incredibly vast the universe got created, is that he could have placed life on other planets. Now Doesn't necessarily mean that they are as Nate said, you know no, but I do believe there's a possibility. There's other things out there.
Speaker 5:Possibility. Not sure Anyone else wanna say anything stronger. Do we have anyone who thinks that aliens for sure they exist? Anyone gonna bite? No, I like how Justin put it.
Speaker 1:I'm open to the idea that they're out there. I'll double down, though, and say that the ones that we've claimed to see like UFO sightings any kind of sighting we've seen or reported I don't think those are aliens.
Speaker 3:Whoa, whoa, whoa dude. You mean all those like really blurry pictures that could be like a smudge on the camera. You think that's not real, right, zeke?
Speaker 5:explain to me why you have pilots that are well trained Hopefully they can see well, that would be important and they just see physical phenomena, these objects that move in certain ways. They're reporting this that in ways that physics should not allow. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Are you pre-assuming that they're physical?
Speaker 5:Oh, are you assuming they're not?
Speaker 1:Well, you kinda defeated your own question. You said these physical objects that are moving in ways that aren't physically possible. Well, I'd assume they're physical because these pilots are seeing them. So everything you see is physical.
Speaker 5:I mean, I see you and you're physical in the table.
Speaker 1:You're supposed to be good at the table. You're not doing very good today.
Speaker 5:And everything in this room is physical that I can see. So wouldn't I then just take that assumption? And if I go flying somewhere, they're like oh look, I see something. It's physical, is light physical.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Oh roast, did you dude?
Speaker 2:Oh, made you look like a fool. Light is actually physical.
Speaker 1:In what sense do we mean physical?
Speaker 2:Einstein said it was.
Speaker 3:Could, you show your favorite things, oh show the facts.
Speaker 2:Light is made up of a bunch of different particles.
Speaker 5:It's like waves and what's the way it's put, like two different things. It's a way, but also it's individual units as well.
Speaker 1:Y'all pretty much breaking down physical into anything that has that exists. That's all you're saying.
Speaker 5:That's not my definition of five senses that you can see it.
Speaker 3:I would say the physical aspect has to be able to touch it. I would say that that's an aspect of something being physical.
Speaker 5:So you can't touch light Z five senses. If I see it, I assume it's physical. So, for example, when you're driving later after this episode and someone cuts in front of you you see them do this Are you going to be like, yeah, that's probably not physical, I'm just going to keep driving.
Speaker 3:Or are you going?
Speaker 5:to respond as if it's physical.
Speaker 3:You could get out of the car and go touch it, though you could. If there was a chance to go do it, you could go touch it.
Speaker 2:What if there's not a chance to touch it, though?
Speaker 3:There would always be some way that you could touch it.
Speaker 2:Okay, now let's go back to the fighter pilots. Could they touch the UFOs?
Speaker 1:Justin is beating Nate in the corner. Nate's crying very hard. I'm crying very heavily.
Speaker 5:But okay. So, Zeke, how would you explain those things that they're seeing?
Speaker 1:Let me ask y'all some questions. How would y'all explain what you've already claimed? You said that aircraft, trained aircraft, uh, flyers have seen these things that defy the laws of physics in ways to. We've seen them take 90 degree turns, going at up to 60,000 miles per hour. That doesn't happen by our laws of physics. So are y'all denying all the laws of physics or y'all saying that it's something else?
Speaker 5:We're just trying to explain them, zeke. We're just trying to figure it out. It's not going to be something I assume the US government made.
Speaker 1:So let me define what I mean by physical. When I say physical, I mean things that contain mass. So, for example, light doesn't contain mass. Well, you could say it does. It contains a very, very, very small amount of mass, but it still does.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and that's the only reason why it's able to travel as fast as it can. So is you saying that something like that, to where it's light as light itself? Or is it something that's heavy and that whenever it crashes it, you could look at the parts and fill them and pick them up?
Speaker 5:I'm saying it's aliens Zeke. Now what your explanation? So?
Speaker 1:my explanation would be if we look at all the evidence, caused us as Christians in 2020, that's what we like to do. We believe in Jesus because we believe he was resurrected and we have evidence to back those claims up. You don't have to debate me on that. You agree with me on that, nate. Last time I checked, Was Jesus an alien?
Speaker 5:No, jesus was not an alien.
Speaker 3:Someone's getting fired from his job at the church.
Speaker 5:So okay, if you are here in this room right now, we're having a lot of fun with this topic.
Speaker 6:But think about it?
Speaker 5:What if Jesus? Well, it depends on how you define alien.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would depend on how you define it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, Is God like nature? By definition, it's not human.
Speaker 1:If it's what we mean by alien, it's not human then a lot of things are alien. So let me look, let me present some evidence and y'all tell me what y'all think. So according to secular scientists meaning non-Christian they say the closest planet that has the possibility of having life is 490 light years away. So you want to know how far, far away a light year is. Anyone have the answer?
Speaker 5:It's a year that's gone on a diet.
Speaker 2:No 2,762,832.
Speaker 1:He's pretty close. It's well when I say pretty close, it's 6 trillion miles away.
Speaker 3:He's a lot closer than Nate, though Well, a lot year yeah, he was so a lot.
Speaker 1:year is the amount of distance that light can travel in one year. Does anyone know how fast light travels? Go ahead, Ozzyk 2,762,834.
Speaker 3:Real quick.
Speaker 5:Zeke is looking this up for those of you who are listening.
Speaker 1:I remember the note 671 million miles per hour is how fast life travels, Zeke remembers the number once he looked it up, once I looked it up in my notes.
Speaker 1:I remembered the number. So do you want to know how long it would take for an alien to get to the nearest planet, to get from their planet to our planet, if they were traveling like we said? We've seen evidence, video evidence, of these flat crafts travels 60,000 miles per hour. Okay, I'll grant that. Let's say that they've traveled 300,000 miles per hour. They have advanced technology. Exactly, I agree. Come on, zeke. So now that let's say they can go even faster, let's say 300,000 miles per hour, anyone?
Speaker 3:want to guess how long it would take them to get to us Easy day Anyone? Just a guess A long time.
Speaker 1:Any guess.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Higher 300,000 years 1.1 million years if they were traveling 300,000 miles per hour.
Speaker 5:These aliens can live a long time Once they get.
Speaker 1:Not only do they have to live a long time, but once they get here and they get this useless data on these humans, they didn't have to go back, and that data means absolutely nothing now, hold on, they have Wi-Fi.
Speaker 5:That's the stupid thing I've ever heard. Zeke, zeke, hold on, let's teleportation. Let's just take this argument.
Speaker 3:When you watch Star Wars, what does it say at the very beginning?
Speaker 2:In a galaxy far, far away. What before?
Speaker 3:that, though A long time ago, a long time ago. They were advanced all the way back in the day, dude. They don't say how long that was. It could have been whatever bajillion years you said, I don't know. So why are they here? I don't know. Can they tell a poor Hollywood tells us that they want to fight us. Yeah, they need to bow up is what they need to do.
Speaker 1:So we've got these intelligent beings, capable of living millions upon millions of years, traveling millions upon millions of miles, that want to fight us. And they're so smart, so intelligent, that they get here and then they can't fly their ship anymore and they just crash us. Yes, that makes sense. I'm sold.
Speaker 5:Podcast over we convince Zeke that aliens exist, so okay, by and large back to being more serious, we are not really saying aliens for sure exist the way that you might think, in Star Wars, hollywood, all that stuff.
Speaker 3:No, I am, I am. Oh, justin is saying that they for sure, exactly like in Star Wars, admiral Ackbar dude, they look just like him.
Speaker 5:Admiral Ackbar, yes, good looking dude for sure, but if we're not thinking those kinds of aliens exist, what are some other options that have been floated other than Green Martians, star Wars, characters from galaxies far, far away? What might be other explanations for some of the things that we see?
Speaker 2:Canadians. That's one explanation of an alien.
Speaker 5:Canadians? Yes, Canadians. I think that's as good a guess as some other things that have been floated. For sure, Other than Canadians, what might we be thinking, Chloe?
Speaker 6:Okay, so I don't have like a super strong opinion on this topic. However, I don't think that the Bible really talks about there being another life outside of us, but if there was an explanation for the sightings and things like that, I think it could definitely be demonic activity going on.
Speaker 5:Okay. Spiritual beings, demonic activity Okay, justin.
Speaker 3:Something that I want to say. While Chloe just said that the Bible does not mention anything like that, you are correct, and this is something why I still hold to the possibility, and I think sometimes Christians completely cut that idea out because they think it would disprove Christianity somehow. I don't quite understand that. But why would the Bible a book meant for people speak of things beyond what we will possibly ever get to experience?
Speaker 5:I mean stuff that does not pertain to us.
Speaker 3:Do you mean like angels and stuff? But it does explain that we will eventually see that stuff one day when we get to heaven. But I'm just saying what are you referring to? The aliens in this instant? Like the idea of aliens, several Christians cut off the idea completely because the Bible does not speak of it. But why would the Bible speak of something that's not important for us to know is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:I think what you're saying is from a Bible perspective, before Zeke was talking more science and science and technology. You're saying, from a Bible perspective, the Bible just it's open-ended, it doesn't say yes or no.
Speaker 3:It doesn't specifically mention platypuses in the Bible, but platypuses are real. It's just not important for us to know, because the Bible is teaching us how we need to live and what we need to do to be the best Christians we can. So why would it bother referencing anything like that?
Speaker 5:So I'll pass it to the rest of the team. What do you think about that? The Bible stances on physical aliens from five senses. They have mass, they have bodies, maybe they have green skin, whatever you want to define them. As Would you say for the rest of the team, the Bible's open-ended on the existence of conventional aliens.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I'm asking you a question back because I want to get you. When Sodom and Gomorrah, the angels, came down right, were they in physical bodies? I?
Speaker 5:think so, some form of?
Speaker 2:Corporeal. So could that mean if we're talking about aliens as angels, they could still be physical?
Speaker 5:Angels can take a physical form. That's true.
Speaker 1:I think he sees as physical. So I will clarify yes, everything I see is physical Hmm, okay, that's it.
Speaker 2:So I had, do you?
Speaker 5:think the angels were like see-through, as in like you'd put your hand through them and say, oh, nothing's there.
Speaker 2:No, I think I think they were physical. That's what I'm saying. So if we were said that, let's say we haven't said this, but let's say that we think that Aliens are Angels or spiritual beings, they could still be in the physical, still be in the spiritual kind of you know what I mean.
Speaker 5:Yeah, like they could take form, physical form and this probably bug Zeke, I can tell from his facial expressions. I think there can be a blurred line Between the spiritual world and the physical world. It doesn't have to be nice and pretty divided, nice and pretty division. I think there's a lot of overlap there that in a modern world we're not as comfortable with.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 5:So, yes, and and so just some some great things to think about there that maybe Angels are the Aliens we're thinking of, and I think that's a possibility.
Speaker 1:I think it's way more likely that they're demons. Or specific, not like because we typically think of angels as like the good guys, whereas, like typically we know, demons are, we're once angels, but we call them demons to make the differentiation between two. So I think the aliens are On camera or whatever that evidence we have, I think those are demons.
Speaker 5:Why would they have to be demons if they're not acting in any moral way?
Speaker 1:Just curious because we have cases you can go look. I think I have to think I can't remember the guy's name, but there's been research done on it. I know Michael Heiser is a good one and a couple other guys. They've done research on it and there's been cases where you know, you hear about people getting Lifted up out of their bed and like it really sounds like this out-of-body experience almost, and there've been people who, whenever this was happening, they called on the name of Jesus and they were immediately put back in their bed.
Speaker 1:There's one guy who it was happening while he was asleep and he called out to the name of Jesus. He wasn't a Christian but he'd known about Jesus, called out Jesus and he immediately went back to his body. His wife will come and said why are you jumping on the bed? And he was still laying there as if he was when he really went to sleep. So stuff like that. To where? Why would aliens? How would aliens even know who Jesus is, or anything like this. It seems to be the things. Also, you have the case of people who are typically abducted. There's a very high likelihood that they've had some form of experience or interaction with a cult, stuff like that.
Speaker 5:I agree those different practices. I think a lot of them can be demonic. But you can't tell me that angels could never be like, hey, we're gonna mess with these pilots over here.
Speaker 1:Let's just fly around.
Speaker 5:Why does it have to be? Excuse me, why does it have to be demons?
Speaker 1:Well, if God is the one in control the angels and he knows that by them doing that is gonna lead to People going away from him, why would he willingly do that?
Speaker 5:Would it have to be people going? Away from him with these things interests people in the spiritual world.
Speaker 1:But he knows how people are going.
Speaker 5:I'm not saying it can't be.
Speaker 1:I'm just I'm trying to think through it myself.
Speaker 5:Mackenzie.
Speaker 4:I think the reason they're probably demons is because when you hear about people who truly believe in aliens or people who've had those experiences, and a lot of times they'll say, like Crazy stuff, like they were examined by them and all this stuff For the rest of their lives, they're all consumed by that. Like they know, I was it Adducted by aliens, this was real all this, and I think that leads them astray from anything real. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:So like they go on living the rest of their lives doing this, like Believe in that, when you, you're like really yeah, and some of them will even say you can have accounts where people will say that the aliens that they claim to see they want those people to know that Jesus was an alien, that they're the ones who brought Jesus here, and it seems that like they're purposely trying to corrupt the gospel.
Speaker 1:So, like why do they have a problem with Christianity? But you don't really see any reports of them saying anything about muhammad or buddha or anything like that. Like, if you like? Michael heizer, I think he said if you take out all the cases where the people were in uh Uh, involved in the cult or something like that, you practically have almost no adoption cases Next to zero if you take all those out.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah uh, isaac, never mind all right.
Speaker 5:So, uh, as as we're talking, I'm seeing a general thought of the way hollywood views Aliens. Probably don't exist, these little creatures from another planet in that way.
Speaker 1:Zeke. One other thing I want to add. If you look at accounts from different countries, isn't it kind of funny that aliens appear differently in different countries? Maybe there's an explanation for that for america.
Speaker 5:There are different ethnicities of aliens available happen to go different countries. This is simple.
Speaker 1:Well, the weird thing is, if you go to somewhere like I think is Sweden, they appear as very tall, uh blonde, figures, whereas America is gray, big black eyes because skinny, like we'd see in movies. You go to, like, uh, britain. It's completely different, but yet they all have a very similar message of they know where they're.
Speaker 5:they are welcome, yeah, apparently anyway, so we're thinking all right, aliens, the way hollywood shows it, probably it wouldn't work out for various reasons. Zeke outlined some of the science there and in the distances. But we're thinking if these things are real, they're probably demonic. Is that is that kind of the consensus we're leaning towards, justin?
Speaker 3:kind of on the fence about that lean one way or the other. I think, like definitely what they're saying is like that that could be absolutely possible. I don't deny that. But also I do hold out that the reality of there being other life forms out there is real. I don't think it necessarily has to be demons.
Speaker 5:And that's a possibility. They're, you know, bacteria on other planets. Who knows Zeke?
Speaker 1:So, justin, let me ask you this Back to account what we're talking about before, before Nate started being stupid, um, realistically speaking, like my feelings are hurt if you want to. There's no scientists, no christian scientists, no atheist scientists, no null material in our universe that we've found that can travel at speeds fast enough to get here in a reasonable time. Do you think that if there are aliens that do, they live an extraordinary amount of time and what's their purpose for coming here in the first place?
Speaker 3:There are actually. Scientists have have given a couple of different reasons. One reason that people think is the most common, mainly because of movies, is world domination, which I think personally, that seems the least likely. Because if you were able to do something like, let's just say, you have gone so far technologically that you can Warp to where we are at light speeds and get, take what should be millions of years and do it in seconds, right, let's just say that's how it works, why on earth would you care about our planet, which was so far behind that? So I don't think world domination would be the more likely reason to are coming. It would be more likely for research. Research or scientists have even said Just to come say hi, has been a reason as well.
Speaker 5:So I think that goes back to some of what Zeke said before, that there would be massive difficulties, difficulties with distances between planets, and it gets into some of that. Justin, I was thinking you were going in a different direction, which is we think of aliens having to be having to have Human, like sentience has to think like us to some degree, be super intelligent to some degree. I'm open to life being because because the bible doesn't really take a stance on this I'm open to there being bacteria Level life somewhere else, like they could never reach us but like something else being out there. I don't see the problem with that.
Speaker 3:Well, also bacteria. That that is not. That's not like a maybe. That is true. They have found bacteria on mars and stuff like that in the water on mars. They found that.
Speaker 5:I'd have to look into that.
Speaker 3:I mean, you're more than welcome to, but they have he's giving information, yeah, he did, Thank you.
Speaker 5:Justin, I'll have to look into that, but I'm open to there being some level of life. It doesn't have to be human level or beyond.
Speaker 3:I also agree with that as well. What I'm saying is there are multiple ways of thinking about different things and with something like that that there is no definite answer I try to think of multiple different facets, like I don't totally close off the demons thing. You know, I think that could be true. I don't totally close off them coming from another world. I don't totally close off the something as simple as bacterial life or even something like similar like a cat or something like that, just a very lower level life form compared to us.
Speaker 1:So cats came up with interdimensional travel.
Speaker 5:Got it Um you're caught up on the travel part. There can be life out there that's not trying to get to us. They just know life out there.
Speaker 1:I've already agreed. That's perfectly possible and I don't see a problem with that interfering with the gospel or the Bible and any sort of way. Cause, like I also said, the Bible doesn't really say the same way, it doesn't talk about dinosaurs per se, yet we still believe dinosaurs existed. Well, everyone but Isaac, and here probably Um.
Speaker 5:Isaac, do you not believe dinosaurs existed? I love dinosaurs.
Speaker 1:Okay, just making sure. Um, my problem is, if you look at people who have been in this field, non Christians included, they will tell you that there's no physical way for someone to get that far, all the way over here. There's no way to travel faster than a lot, even the unit. The only thing that travels faster than a lot is the universe itself, when it expands, according to scientists. Um, so I'm okay.
Speaker 1:I'm open to the idea of there being another dimension. That's the closest thing to where you could get from one place to another almost instantaneously. Christians, we have an answer for that. We've had an answer for a very, very long time. It's the non Christians that don't have an answer to cross dimensional travel. We believe in an unseen realm. Paul says that we've bowed not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, spiritual forces. And then you also have second king six, which talks about who it's a Lasha or a Lasha? They were in a war and one of them couldn't see the angels and the spiritual realm around them and keep a. Lasha prayed and said hey, will you show him these things? And they look around, they see all these angels fighting on their side. So I think it's another dimension, I think that's the spiritual realm.
Speaker 5:I prefer string theory Go on.
Speaker 3:I'm done Something I wanted to add on. You say that it's it's not possible. It's not possible. Do you know how many inventions we have now that we use every day? That people for years said something like that was impossible. Something as simple as a refrigerator. People would have never thought was possible, but that's from our current science, that's, from our current understanding of science.
Speaker 2:Zeke is very anti science on this podcast you can't move faster than the speed of light. It's what he's trying to say Run really fast.
Speaker 3:I think that, from from our, from our understanding of of what we can do now, no Um, but I I'm open to us figuring things out and being able to progress in technology to do things that we never thought were possible. I'm open to being, if it gets to, you know, several millions of years, and I'm looking down from heaven like, oh, you know when possible cool. I just think that we shouldn't close our minds to stuff like that, because there are so many things that we thought were impossible but now are possible because of how technology has progressed, and thinking about something that's technology is so much further than our own, which would have to be something like that for it to do that. I think there is a possibility of it.
Speaker 1:Let me try and put it this way For anyone who's on just inside. That's fine. You're probably still getting to heaven.
Speaker 3:You're saying I'm dumb Zeke, Is that what you're saying? Say it, say it.
Speaker 1:I think you don't fully understand what I'm trying to say. There's a difference between us creating things that we didn't think was possible and then us completely defying all laws of physics begin with. So it would be. It's like you're saying one day we will figure out how to stop gravity. Okay, Well, we're not just going to randomly turn off great gravity and start floating. That's the equivalent of what you'd have to do to go faster than speed of light.
Speaker 3:Well, zeke, let me tell you something. Michael wanted an anti-gravity machine in the office, so maybe they'll invent it for him one day.
Speaker 5:Yeah, all right, we're going to take this thing home. I hope all of our listeners were greatly entertained with this conversation and it's just it's just fun to talk about all the different possibilities. But anyways, aliens, do they exist? Are they secretly spiritual beings, like demons? Let us know what you think we're? On Instagram, facebook and Twitter. You can check out our website, dangerousfaithnet, and reach us that way as well. Leave us a comment and we'd love to talk with you and hear your input. Until next time, we'll talk with you later.