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#46: Dangerous Advice– Travel Relationship Dynamics, Pastors Monitoring Attendance, and First-Time Church Goers
The Dangerous Advice Team takes on Reddit!
• What does the future hold if your partner's career choices are pushing you to the brink of a financial breakdown? As we sift through this real-life predicament pulled from the depths of Reddit, we extend our conversation into the realm of relationship dynamics amid financial turbulence and navigating the work-from-home landscape.
• We dissect the fine line between grace and truth within the church through the topic of mandatory church attendance, and the profound importance of a supportive, accountable community.
• Have you ever considered what it would take to render a church service as not just another Sunday routine, but a welcoming experience for newcomers? This is where the conversation takes us next, addressing the delicate balance between depth and accessibility in worship and the significance of navigating cultural sensitivities among international attendees.
• We wrap things up with a light-hearted AskReddit question on life's must-try experiences, from exploring the wilderness to appreciating local cuisines, encouraging listeners to step out of their comfort zones and embrace life’s adventures.
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Welcome to another episode of Dangerous Advice. I have Bay and Kate with me. Bay, how are you?
Bailie Williams:Doing great.
Nate Williams:I'm glad to hear it. And, kate, what about you?
Katelyn Turnage:Doing good.
Nate Williams:Doing good. Now we are looking out the window and it's quite stormy, I might say so. If you hear some background noises, it's just buildings falling over and lightning striking.
Bailie Williams:No need to worry.
Nate Williams:Yeah, no need to worry, We'll be all right, but anyways.
Bailie Williams:As you say that I get a severe thunderstorm warning. Yes, I'll put it on my phone.
Nate Williams:It's so funny those warnings that come like after the storm hits or there's lightning there.
Bailie Williams:Yeah, lightning has been detected in your area, but it's been five minutes since it struck. Yes, exactly oh well, thank you for nothing.
Nate Williams:But anyways, we're going to jump in now with these Reddit stories. We kind of put ourselves in the person's shoes, like what would you do in this situation? How would you answer this question? Et cetera, et cetera. And so we're pulling these stories, these news articles from Reddit specifically, and then we'll finish up. Bailey typically has an ask Reddit question for us, so we're going to dive in, bailey, what you got for us today.
Bailie Williams:Okay, so I have a, which I feel like I'm the one that always brings it, but the, am I the trash question?
Nate Williams:for everybody. Am I the trash?
Bailie Williams:expert. Yes, trash, expert right here.
Katelyn Turnage:Yes.
Bailie Williams:But it is a young lady asking if she would be the trash if she forced her husband to take back his old job because of the situation that she's in, and it could go in a couple of different directions. So here we go. It says my husband, 27 male, quit his full time work from home job back in January. This was his first job out of college. He graduated in 2021 and worked there for less than a year and a half. We travel frequently because I am 28, female, a travel nurse.
Bailie Williams:Before he quit his job, he had talked about our financial plans and I agree to financially support him and pay rent for three months in exchange for him being a stay at home, dad to the dogs and him cooking and cleaning while I'm at work. He didn't have a ton of savings to live off of, but when he first quit he told me he would definitely have a new job by May, and I believed him. I'm pretty out of touch with the job market since I work in healthcare and it's pretty easy for me to find a job. I also will agree, and I'm sure you will agree.
Bailie Williams:Healthcare like you will never if you hear anybody say that they can't find a job in healthcare. They ain't trying.
Katelyn Turnage:I promise you Just send me an email, send Kate an email 115 open jobs.
Bailie Williams:okay, If you want job security be in the healthcare that's all I have to say All right.
Bailie Williams:Back to the story. Well, he still hasn't found a job. The job market for work from home positions is rough right now. I do feel guilty because he would have an easier time finding a job if we weren't moving around all the time. However, I did warn him before he quit his job that he shouldn't quit without having more savings and that usually people secure a new job before quitting their current job. He has ADHD and has a hard time thinking about the consequences of his actions. Now he's down to $2,000 in his savings and he has some credit card debt. I'm starting to resent him. I didn't expect to pay his portion of the rent for so long. My paychecks are also getting smaller. When he first quit his job, I was making $3,300 a week. Can I just say $3,300 a week is quite substantial, absolutely nice.
Bailie Williams:But if she's a travel nurse, travel nurses get paid.
Nate Williams:They make bank, they do.
Bailie Williams:Yes, and in October I will be making $2,400 a week. I have a healthy amount of savings, but seeing the big pay cut freaks me out a little bit. I feel guilty because me being a travel nurse probably makes it harder for him to get a job. I have more than enough money to support both of us, but I know that if I keep paying for him beyond his rent, dates, vacations etc. I will resent him. Sometimes I don't see him as a partner because I feel like a parent instead. So the rest of it is just kind of talk between them and everything. But I wanted to get y'all's opinion on that. What do you do? So she's asking if she would be the trash to ask him to pick his old job back up at this point.
Nate Williams:I think for full disclosure with the actual post it's more boyfriend, girlfriend instead of husband and wife. But we just modified it to spouse because we don't think cohabitation is a healthy thing to do before marriage, and so just full disclosure there, but continuing on as if they're husband and wife. I think it's fair. What do you think, kate? Do you have any thoughts on the story?
Katelyn Turnage:Yeah, it's just kind of sad the situation because from what she said, it seems like they're slowly going toward a path away from partnership. And, nate, you probably know better what you do than I do. There's a verse somewhere maybe it's in proverbs that a man needs to go to work and provide for his family. I think it's in proverbs. So I definitely think that something happened with his plan along the way for him to be going. What like eight months without a job? Is that? What it boils down to Is this recent? Yeah, yeah.
Nate Williams:I think so. What do you think, bay, of the story?
Bailie Williams:I feel like. So she's asking a lot of him to just pick up and move and do whatever she's doing. It feels like she's very centered around her life, what she is the breadwinner with, what she makes and it is a substantial amount of money but at the same time, like you have to be able to help the partner either find something along your trail of where you're working, if you're expecting him to work, you know like don't be like. Well, you just have to figure it out because I can't do it anymore.
Katelyn Turnage:Yes. Like it has to be something that they work together with and does it seem like to you all, like when they when she first started this, because travel nursing really hit a high during COVID. So, they may be doing this during the whole time during COVID. Very smart to make this amount of money, and then they get to travel. You know, that's young people. Really, that's really desirable, but when they started this, he was working from home. Perfect situation Yep.
Nate Williams:You almost have to wonder does it say maybe I didn't catch it why he quit?
Bailie Williams:his job. He wants to change positions.
Nate Williams:Fields.
Bailie Williams:Yes, it's not like a far job. I think she said that he's wanting to do or he's in sales, but he wants to do accounting. So it's not like a real far jump of a different position.
Nate Williams:Yeah.
Bailie Williams:But maybe look within that company. Yeah, to move into that position or something like that, to where you're still Doing the same job for now, until you make it to that point, you know.
Nate Williams:I feel, like there's workarounds, there's workarounds and I have to agree, probably with the vote of everyone the post god that everyone is a little bit at fault at least. But Honestly, as a, as a maybe it's a guy thing, or maybe it's just a human thing you do what you got to do to pay the bills and so. I've worked at some very not fun jobs. Y'all remember I've worked at a warehouse that was. I try not to name brands.
Bailie Williams:A warehouse.
Nate Williams:I call it the warehouse. That wasn't the most fun job. I've done fast food and you know sometimes that's not fun as well. Just that that got me through high school and college and stuff. But ultimately I feel like as a man or just as a person Trying to make it work, you do what you have to do and eventually something opens up. But for him to not want to go back to his old position that paid well, had benefits, I think, if I read it correctly, for him not to do that just because he wants a new feel, it's like come on, buddy boy, let's, let's, let's do it. You know, let's do what we need to do to pay the bills and then Later on, get to the job you want.
Nate Williams:As for as for her, I do think it's tough traveling, but I think she's built in enough along the way Of time to adjust. If she was immediately saying you need a job right now, then yeah, she'd be more at fault, but I think she's been fairly patient. From the sound of the post, there are these times I don't know if you all have seen the reddit stories where the Partner writes their own post and writes their own version of the story. It's like hey, op, one didn't say it correctly, so therefore they go back and forth on how things actually are, so you only do hear one side of the story, but I feel like she's done enough.
Katelyn Turnage:I agree, I'm on, I'm more on her side than his, like what do you think?
Nate Williams:seems more selfish to me that he quit his job base on the fence? I don't.
Bailie Williams:I feel so I wouldn't expect a lot out of a partner if you're the one that's having to travel travel for your career like Either they're along for the ride or you can, you know, find a place to Settle down and hang out while they do their so many weeks spent wherever it is. Yeah but there has to be a compromise of that and if so you don't like the whole.
Nate Williams:He's having to travel off.
Katelyn Turnage:But what if they? We don't know enough information. It's like what if they agreed on this, because you make substantially more travel as a travel nurse, exactly, and that could be, putting you know, helping them out a lot during this time and he was probably on board with it, Mm-hmm. And then now something just went awry.
Bailie Williams:I see her not wanting him to be Reliant on her is what I'm trying to get out, which. Yeah yeah, I I understand where she's coming from of. I Don't want someone to like not free load, but kind of.
Nate Williams:Partnership yeah, all right. So so Kate and I are more. It's on his side. He's the problem. You're more both sides, is that kind of how it is? Yeah okay, I think that's fair. All right, kate, any other thoughts on that post? Or get what we want to move to yours, all right. So Kate has a Kate and I have similar topics on church type stuff. All right, kate, you ready.
Katelyn Turnage:Yes.
Nate Williams:I take it away.
Katelyn Turnage:So this is a question about church attendance, so it goes. Are we required to inform our preacher of where we are if we miss church and Apologize to the church? So it's a pretty short post. I'll just read the whole thing. My husband and I were chastised by our preacher for missing church and also for not making it known to him why we missed or apologizing for having missed. Oh yeah, granted, we have been absent more lately because my husband is only home two days a week and Squeezing everything into those two days plus spending quality time together is very difficult. I know it probably sounds terrible, but sometimes I just want to stay in bed and sleep in with him after sleeping all by myself all week. So do other churches have this expectations of their members?
Nate Williams:All right, Kate and Bay. What do you think we won't? Mention specific people, but can you imagine you're seeing your pastor keeping attendance?
Bailie Williams:It really sounds like they have a whole like 20 people that attend their church.
Katelyn Turnage:So I have a a bit of a I I guess a different viewpoint on this because of the don't denomination I grew up in. Yeah, because this is very typical in a certain. Domination. Yes, and the church of Christ that I grew up in. I've known people you know them, I'm not gonna say them, but that have been asked to leave a congregation because their attendance is not up to par. Wow, yeah.
Katelyn Turnage:I don't think that's a problem with a lot of the work-based. You know, don't want to get too deep into things, but the work-based faith right. That's why I chose this story.
Nate Williams:But yeah, yeah, okay. So, bay, what do you think can you imagine filling out for?
Bailie Williams:your family, but not too much.
Nate Williams:I'm thinking of our senior pastor. Would y'all say this is a form, or is this too strong? I'm gonna say a term. You tell me whether it's too strong. Would y'all say this is a form of spiritual abuse, or do you think that's putting it too strong?
Bailie Williams:Um, you know I'm gonna like hate answer that, because she came from a real strict background, so she may have a better understanding of what would be.
Katelyn Turnage:And also I don't want to paint the picture like I was Spiritually abused in my childhood, like I think it's one of those things in retrospect you look back and you're like, hey, I've learned a few things, yeah, you know. I look back on them like, hey, that probably wasn't the healthiest. But no, I mean, I personally have never experienced being chastised, as they say in this post, but Um, spiritual abuse, I don't know you think that's a little too strong maybe, like you know, I would hate for anyone to feel that their salvation is is being questioned.
Katelyn Turnage:Yeah, if they, if they are sick on a Sunday and they can't make it. That I feel like, because I mean, I think we've all been there where we're like, hey, you know I'm I'm never gonna be good enough, but you know what if I'm not? Period, you know where you question things and things like that.
Bailie Williams:Is that one too many Sundays I've missed?
Katelyn Turnage:yeah, and like you don't want to be the reason, somebody's in that place, right?
Nate Williams:What do you think they spiritual abuse Accurate or maybe putting it too strong?
Bailie Williams:Well, I think there's a happy medium everything in moderation, yes, what I say all the time. But you know, if you miss this Sunday and you come back that next Sunday and they're like hey, where were you at last Sunday? We noticed you weren't here, missing church or something you know, that's kind of in. You miss the Sunday every once in a while you go on vacation. You don't have to be accountable to everybody in your congregation of where you were. Yeah, but at the same time, if you missed a few Sundays, I feel like it's totally healthy to have your pastor, maybe your Sunday school leader, give you a call, be like, hey, we noticed you've been missing a few days. We just want to reach out, make sure everything was okay, if you know you needed anything. But at that point you have to know the line of being like Too critical and then also being welcoming in your church.
Nate Williams:I think you hit on something very important there, bay.
Nate Williams:The way you go about it matters absolutely it's like with a hammer what's wrong with you? Are you even a Christian? You don't belong in this church. That's a little too strong. But let's say, someone's consistently missing or gone for a season. It is healthy to check on people. There's a little bit of accountability, particularly if you're walking in discipleship which we all should have, being discipled by someone, where they check in on you there. Hey, how are you missed you? Everything okay. And that's where I was talking with Bay about this post I think it was a couple days ago, give or take where I think, instead of the senior pastor doing a lot of this, which can happen Instead of it all coming from the senior pastor, there should be friends that you have that check in on you, so it doesn't have to be from I'm putting this in air quotes on high the guy checking.
Nate Williams:But, just your friend being like hey, I missed you at church yeah cuz.
Nate Williams:Here's the thing about church. No, doing things won't save you. Yes, I made it to church. I made it to church every week this year. So I'm going to heaven. No, but as a natural out working of a changed heart, you want a fellowship like you. Just you know you're missing something, some nourishment, love, affection, that when you're not around your church family, like something's wrong. But it's a natural thing. It's not a let me check off the box thing that the closer we, the more and more like Jesus we become, the more and more will want to worship with our church family. It's it's more of a natural thing versus a force thing. But anyways, any thoughts on that before we move to mine.
Katelyn Turnage:Well, they say, like, apologize to the church. Do you think they're being asked to like go in front of the body? Now that's, I'm going to say ridiculous yeah, that would be like getting up on stage and like saying you know, why weren't you here?
Bailie Williams:Yeah, and I. So I've heard of some churches that will like Like, say personal stuff in front of the congregation about you. And I call you out for things in front of the congregation so I would not Put that past anybody to do that to somebody. That's sad.
Nate Williams:Yeah, and that's where we have to walk between grace and truth, where there are genuine sins that do need to be called out because they're destructive, we hold to that. But missing church here and there I don't think is one of them. And from the sound of it, this person generally, this couple generally, makes church but, just maybe in this season of life has missed a couple weeks.
Nate Williams:I think that's very different. Now, if they're very, very absent, you might have to question. Let's say, oh, I want to be a worship leader, I want to be a youth group leader, I want to be a pastor, and then okay, but I generally a missing church. That kind of weighs into your ability to lead stuff. But that's not brought into this post, it's just that was one of the top comments.
Katelyn Turnage:That was, unless you're on staff, unless you're on staff, which makes sense, but that would be for anything right right.
Nate Williams:But no, I think those are good thoughts. Anything else on that one, we will move on to mine. I now have to find it. I secretly went to church for the first time today. That is the name of my post I'll be reading. I'm not going to read all of it, because I'm going to get to the point of it, but anyways, this is what this one person said. Well, I finally did it. I mustered up the courage to attend my first ever Sunday service this morning.
Nate Williams:My parents are very devout Buddhists, and while there aren't exactly strict rules about heresy, they still adamantly want me to be a Buddhist like them. But while I find great value and wisdom in Buddhist philosophy, I could never believe in karma or since. I might be wrong about some, sorry, but that might be like the Wheel of suffering, like rebirth at birth and rebirth. I could be wrong about that, though, but anyways, it just doesn't make sense to me, or even feel ideal. I mean, how could the ultimate goal of life be to stop existing entirely? How would the Buddha have attained this knowledge of the universe? Simply by meditating? And so Buddhists go after nothingness is their ultimate goal. Nothingness, kind of release, anyways. So I'm not going to read the rest of the post. I just thought the beginning was interesting. I went to my first ever Sunday service, so all three of us we grew up in church.
Nate Williams:Right, there are various churches and churchy type things that were used to baptism, communion, church type sayings you know I'll pray for you, or various ways that may a pastor might dress up, depending on how formal your church is. That we're just used to. What do you all think a first time person might think if they walked into your church? That's something we might not think about often because we're so used to everything. But what do you all think if someone came into our individual churches for the first time ever from a different religion? Any thoughts there?
Bailie Williams:That would be very lost in our service. It would be very lost in our service If you came in with like no knowledge of what's going on, it would feel very culty.
Nate Williams:Okay yeah, what do you think, kate?
Katelyn Turnage:Yeah, we were talking about this a little bit beforehand and, yeah, I was taking trying to put myself in the shoes of someone I know who may not have much knowledge, if any, of church, and I just imagined them seeing communion for the first time and hearing you know, this represents my blood and my body, and having no previous knowledge of what that means. Yeah, probably would frighten them a little bit. Maybe cannibalism, yeah, yeah, a little bit In fact that's actually in the Bible.
Nate Williams:I might get the chapter wrong John 6, maybe, but where Jesus started talking about communion a little bit and sacrificing his body and a lot of people left him. They were like we want you to beat the Romans and overthrow the Romans Right. What are you talking about? Eating your body?
Katelyn Turnage:I'm talking about this, didn't you start to spread rumors that Jesus and his disciples were literal cannibals?
Nate Williams:I think so.
Katelyn Turnage:Yeah, just trying to get people away.
Nate Williams:I think so, if I remember correctly, but I'm open to being fact-checked on any of this stuff. But yeah, so there's cannibalism and communion. There are all the weird things we say, and what I'm partly thinking is, even though we're a little away from Birmingham, between Birmingham and Huntsville, we're going to have a lot of immigrants, a lot of people going to UAB and UAH for school, that they might have Muslim backgrounds or Buddhist backgrounds, that might eventually find their way to where we live, right between Birmingham and Huntsville. So it's something we need to be aware of. That. Maybe, from time to time, explain what's going on in your service. Yeah, this is communion. I was going to say, kate, with your tradition, you say this represents the body and this represents the blood.
Nate Williams:In our tradition, in our church, we say something maybe closer along the lines of this is the body, this is the blood. Knowing that, yes, there is some symbolism to it, we don't go the Catholic direction of trans.
Katelyn Turnage:It actually turns into it. Yeah, transubstantiation.
Nate Williams:But anyways, we might phrase it a little bit stronger, which makes it worse in this scenario, but anyways, just any other thoughts there how can we make our church services more understandable to people on the outside, and any other thoughts.
Bailie Williams:I think our church has done something recently to where we've made almost a little booklet of a welcoming booklet for new members or potential members or something like that, and it has Nate just pulled them out to show. But it has our church's background like what we believe, why we believe it, what, who our leadership group is and where to get plugged in and how to find information. It just has a really good starting point for a lot of people that wouldn't know where to go first. So that would be a key to any church to be able to present that person with a meeting or some kind of literature to get them started on the road of understanding what Christianity is in general.
Nate Williams:Yeah, I think that's a good idea. So that's helpful, I think, also knowing your congregation and this can be tough depending on the size of the church. Knowing your congregation well enough to where, if you see someone new, if they're comfortable with this, being like hey, I'm willing to sit by you or talk with you through anything you might want to ask. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Sometimes the churches are really good at welcome classes.
Katelyn Turnage:I was exactly going to say. I think maybe one of the most important things you can do to someone like and again just putting myself in the shoes of this person is being super welcoming and making them feel comfortable enough. Where they might, could, you could either ask them some questions, get this information out of them and teach them. I know you might not only have a few moments, but once they learn I feel like once they learn the symbolism of why we do what we do. It's so beautiful, it's scripture, god's word breathed out.
Nate Williams:I agree that's a great idea. Classes Okay, I'm going to play a little devil's advocate and y'all tell me okay, does this make sense or is this silly? What if someone told us and said well, church is not for nonbelievers, church is not for those people who are new the first time guests. Church is for believers, people who are familiar with doctrine and the word and stuff like that. Don't worry about them. If they're interested, eventually they'll get up to speed, but you shouldn't focus on them because that's not the point of church. Do y'all have any thoughts there? Is that a little harsh?
Bailie Williams:Yes, very harsh.
Katelyn Turnage:First in the Gentile. Come on now.
Nate Williams:And so there are people that say well, when you design your church service, don't think about the nonbeliever or the new person, because ultimately church is for Christians.
Katelyn Turnage:Come on now. Maybe I got a little tulip in them.
Nate Williams:A little tulip in them. I like that, and so any other thoughts there I can respond to that.
Bailie Williams:Oh, I had something I think back of where. How are they going to feel the spirit move if they don't get into church?
Nate Williams:They don't know what's going on.
Bailie Williams:Yeah, if no one's around them to help them feel that, how are they going to?
Nate Williams:know, yeah, I agree.
Katelyn Turnage:So one thing I feel, another devil's advocate thing going on is like. I'm thinking you could be so welcoming and so catering to new members or people that may just like. Hey, we'll try this out. This person has come from a different religious background that it may be more us-centered rather than worshiping God. Yeah, good point we're making it so much easier for us, so we're comfortable, so we're okay, so we're not weirded out by anything. That it's not what it's intended to be, and I think that's a good point to make.
Nate Williams:Where you get towards some of the more mega churchy type feels where you're right, very welcoming, and those kind of churches do a lot of things well, so I don't want to be all critical. But it gets to the point where they go in the opposite direction of everything is understandable and it's comfortable and it's welcoming, but there's no depth at all. No challenge, no challenge, no accountability, it's entertainment. I remember there was one church recently where the pastoral team I think husband and wife, they came out in a goodness, a woody.
Katelyn Turnage:Toy Story. Yes, I was gonna Toy Story. You saw that? Yes.
Nate Williams:A Toy Story outfit and they were just talking about that and it's like, okay, eventually, how far do you go? So that's a little bit of a different topic, but I think we're hitting the nail on the head of somewhere in the middle where you want depth and you want the word and liturgy and maybe some tradition, depending on your background. That's good stuff, but also make sure there are avenues for new people to Just know what's going on. You can explain things right.
Bailie Williams:Any other thoughts, comments, questions on that, before we get to ask reddit, I think it's hard for us to like really grasp somebody from like out of the country coming or something like that, just because when we are is like the Bible Belt.
Nate Williams:Mm-hmm. No, I came from the north. It's still America. I know I'm kidding.
Bailie Williams:Well anyway. So it's hard for us to really picture like new people coming continuously, Whereas here it's like oh, we have a family from visiting from another church or from out of state or something like that. It's not a big jump for us to really understand that. Yeah and that's all I'll say about it.
Nate Williams:Well, there we go. Okay, anything else, or we can move on to ask reddit All right Bay, what you got for us, what, what, what will we have to take us home?
Bailie Williams:Okay, the question that I have for you is what is something that everyone should try once in their life?
Nate Williams:What is something everyone should try once.
Bailie Williams:Nate what you got oh.
Nate Williams:Oh goodness, that's putting me on the spot. I feel like everyone should try, I Don't know. I give me a moment up my mind's blank and I Think of area. So maybe not so much food or activities, but for instance Baltimore. They're two the two places I always tell people should visit. When Baltimore is the inner harbor in Times, when it's less crime-filled than it is today.
Bailie Williams:I was just about to say didn't you just tell me that you didn't want to take me there?
Nate Williams:Yeah, people are committing crimes and broad daylight in a very touristy area anyways. But Baltimore, fort McHenry, very historic, very nice, and the inner harbor, so my mind kind of goes to in that direction. If you're ever in Baltimore, y'all have any thoughts.
Bailie Williams:Something that People should try once so I Well, when I started thinking about this, all I could think about was getting outside, like go, just get in the woods to where there is no human around you and just be in the wilderness and Feel what it's like to not Be in a city or in a big social gathering and just really feel what it feels like to be by yourself.
Nate Williams:Hey, in nature I love that idea, but you are, so I'm a mountain's person, so I I think that is a great idea, but you always like to go to the beach.
Bailie Williams:I'm not talking about a vacation. I'm just talking about going like on a hike. Yeah, okay, like people live in the stinking New York, where you live within five feet of somebody at all times and They'll not know what it's like to be out on your own by yourself.
Katelyn Turnage:Well, my one thing is gonna go out to all the parents out there. My baby is about to be one, so everyone just bring tissues when you when, when she turns one or whatever. But okay. I'm sleep training. I Think I did the scheduling. Yeah, like sleep training like I think I was so intense mom anxiety, like, oh, I won't be able to do that. But you know the same thing, like the baby led, weaning, you know you let your fear get over you. But like sleep training has changed my life.
Bailie Williams:Okay, this is something for children and adults.
Katelyn Turnage:I mean, sleep is a gift. Yeah, the first the first four months of her life she was contact nap, in which I love a good contact nap, okay, but not sleep through the night. And she's like I said, she's not ten months now, but I mean she's been sleeping through the night, oh, oh, just, I'm so thankful, love sleep training. So when y'all have one, just go for it, okay, I'm.
Bailie Williams:Falling your footsteps and how to raise a child so.
Katelyn Turnage:I like all of you. What's? What's some of the comments what else we got?
Bailie Williams:oh, so was I was going off of. What I was saying was that when I was thinking about that I wanted to share like being by yourself in the woods and stuff, and somebody had said camping like just very minimalist, don't bring anything fancy away from the electronics.
Katelyn Turnage:That does seem like it would be fun, oh yeah.
Bailie Williams:And then another one was like going to the movies by yourself, like taking yourself on today. Oh yeah, go go to the restaurant, eat by yourself, go see a movie by yourself.
Nate Williams:I don't know about that.
Bailie Williams:I don't, I don't know if I could. Well, I know you can't do anything without somebody. He, he does no entertainment without somebody else leading it. So there's that Called out Own it. If you're gonna do it, own it. But yeah, that was the majority of everybody was like, just go do something by yourself. Like people rely on that Relationship so much of being with a friend, be with a parent, you know whatever. Just do something for yourself, yeah. So I like, I agree. I think that's a good thing to try.
Nate Williams:Trying to think of types of food. Mm-hmm yeah what foods are worth trying once, just to say you tried it.
Katelyn Turnage:I tried an oyster once and I I also tried sushi once. I regret.
Bailie Williams:Insert the picture of Kate gagging, but I did it.
Katelyn Turnage:No I haven't eaten any more seafood.
Bailie Williams:She tried, that's all she can say.
Nate Williams:Yeah, what about salmon? No, no.
Katelyn Turnage:My general rule is if it lives in the ocean, I don't eat it.
Bailie Williams:It's yeah, she'll nibble, though she's always up for a try.
Katelyn Turnage:Yeah, yeah.
Bailie Williams:Depending. I think so. I like think of local foods here and I think everyone should try pigskins, some pork rinds I haven't tried those little, little crackling they're pretty good yeah, I think that Um literal dried pig skin.
Katelyn Turnage:Well, it's like fun, but it's their skin. I think it's the fat I'm just that makes it better.
Nate Williams:It's like no, I don't want to try this.
Bailie Williams:But I just I think of like something specifically to the South.
Nate Williams:Hmm, I think there's the usual.
Bailie Williams:What's something that we have that you came down and was like why would I put that in my mouth?
Nate Williams:Oh, goodness, I think Probably some seafood related items like, for instance, I have no desire to eat oyster, I just don't. There's nothing about it like looking at it it's like, oh my goodness, I just want to yeah, not gonna get all in there and yes, if I was on a desert island.
Katelyn Turnage:Tom Hanks yes.
Nate Williams:I try to think but other than that in the South there's a lot of good cooking, even foods that I don't Typically like like Bay Bay will attest to this like green beans not a big fan of green beans, but sometimes here, depending on who I eat it from, it's like oh, these are actually decent. In general I don't like them, but these are decent, so it's. The south's power in cooking is to even take the foods that I wasn't always a fan of and then making them edible green bean casserole Green bean casserole no I will say I do not like that.
Bailie Williams:Is there something?
Nate Williams:up north. You're not a big casserole fan, are you?
Bailie Williams:No, don't say that it's green bean casserole.
Katelyn Turnage:I feel like it should be separate. I like the french onions on top. Isn't that what they do, the french onions yes, chicken livers.
Nate Williams:Chicken livers.
Bailie Williams:Have you ever ate chicken livers?
Nate Williams:I'm not sure. I don't think so.
Bailie Williams:Don't people fish with them? Yes, but if you fry them they're really great in vitamin A.
Nate Williams:I can take a multibodyne I might have.
Bailie Williams:We have a restaurant here it's Williams BBQ and it's going to sound really weird, but their fried chicken livers dipped in their barbecue sauce and I'll leave it at that.
Katelyn Turnage:Is there anything up north that we wouldn't know about? Is there anything up there?
Nate Williams:The one thing that comes to mind is oatmeal. Oatmeal, I feel like, because it's generally warmer down here. Oatmeal is like chilly, in that it's better when it's cold outside. It's thick, it sticks in your stomach, it makes you feel full, it's warm. Other than oatmeal, I don't think a lot of other foods either. They're in the south already, so it's not a big difference. There's a couple different ways of doing corn that aren't as common down here, but I think the south's way of doing corn is better.
Katelyn Turnage:So I'm not like go up north and try it.
Nate Williams:Different ways of doing it, superiority, but yeah, I would say oatmeal is the one thing that comes to mind. That's more common, but other than that nothing comes to mind.
Bailie Williams:So you're just saying, like when it's nice and snowy outside, you just want a warm bowl of oatmeal.
Nate Williams:Oatmeal or chilly the time to eat it Chilly, I love chilly.
Bailie Williams:Well, we have chilly here, but yeah, we have chilly.
Katelyn Turnage:It's the weather, bailey.
Nate Williams:Yes, the weather's the bigger. What's?
Katelyn Turnage:so special about that? Well, we have chilly, and what's going to do about it?
Nate Williams:Yes, but those kind of foods are good for when it's cold.
Bailie Williams:Speaking of which.
Nate Williams:I'm actually glad you brought that up. I think just seeing some of the beauty of snow and ice it's really cool. So down here we get snow occasionally but go up somewhere where it's really snowy and in the first couple days it's beautiful. Now, after that, when the snow starts to kind of degrade and get mushy and nasty, that's not great. But just to see a good snowfall, I think if you're in the south that's something worth traveling for just maybe a weekend.
Bailie Williams:I agree, I think that would be worth it. I just the only thing that I want is a good snow before Christmas.
Nate Williams:That's all I ever want to see we might be living in the wrong area.
Bailie Williams:Too bad, it always snows in January.
Nate Williams:Yes.
Bailie Williams:It's like March. Yeah, true true, you wanted it for months, but here it is now, when you really don't want it when you don't want it.
Nate Williams:You want it to start getting warmer. But anyways, any other anything else comes to mind. What was the original question?
Bailie Williams:I feel like what's something that you should, that everyone should try once in their life?
Nate Williams:Yes, what's something that everyone should try once in their life? I think also for music. Just try out different types of music. Just listen to it.
Katelyn Turnage:Maybe you don't like it, but it's worth just seeing what's out there, can I say okay, last episode I said I like Tyler Childers. I may have to retract that.
Bailie Williams:Oh no, have you all seen the news? No, what? What is it His?
Katelyn Turnage:latest music video. I'm like I don't really even listen to music that much. I listen to podcasts mostly, but his, just his latest music video.
Bailie Williams:It's not great. Oh no, it's not very uh. So officially retracting K's statement from Lassett K.
Nate Williams:loves Tyler Childers. He supports all video content I do like the folky.
Katelyn Turnage:You know like the folk sound that his music has, but yeah the words, just retract all the words.
Nate Williams:Give it all the words. Any last comments questions? Alright, friends, we're gonna take this episode home Bay. Thank you for joining the show.
Bailie Williams:Thanks for having us again.
Nate Williams:Absolutely K you too.
Katelyn Turnage:Yes, thank you for having me.
Nate Williams:Absolutely alright, friends. I like how I typically end the episode. Just be looking for new episodes as the weeks go by. We typically post at this point once or twice a week Until next time. We'll talk with you later.