Dangerous Faith

#44: Dangerous Life– Andrew Tate and Masculinity

July 31, 2023 Nathan
Dangerous Faith
#44: Dangerous Life– Andrew Tate and Masculinity
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Is Andrew Tate the voice our young men need to hear? In our latest Dangerous Life conversation, we discuss why Andrew Tate is so popular.  We also explore the societal voids that Tate appears to fill, giving a voice to those who feel unheard and offering a role model to the ones who lack one.

However, there are aspects of Tate's philosophy that are dangerous and destructive. He takes thing too far, and has led many young men in the wrong direction.

In the midst of all the craziness, what does biblical masculinity look like? Listen to find out!

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Nate Williams:

Welcome to the second episode of Dangerous Life. I have my team here with me. I'm glad to be doing this again, and today's topic is Andrew Tate. Now, if you go online, you'll see a bunch of different things about Andrew Tate Some good, some bad, some ugly, some real, some fake but a lot of people, particularly young men, are attracted to what he's saying. So, on this podcast slash video, that's what we'll be talking about Now. With us this week is Isaac. Isaac, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing pretty great. Isaac, just briefly, tell us a little bit about yourself.

Isaac Adams:

You put me on the spot. My name's Isaac. That's a good start.

Nate Williams:

I McKenzie's husband. That's awesome.

Isaac Adams:

Sometimes I say things, sometimes he says things.

Nate Williams:

That is Isaac. Isaac is pretty awesome. Now let's dive right in what are some of our thoughts. Let's start with what makes him attractive. When he says stuff, people like to listen. Why do you think that is Anyone want to?

Speaker 3:

Spencer, I think it's the bald head.

Nate Williams:

The bald head, it's really really masculine. It is a beacon of hope.

Speaker 3:

No, I'm joking, but in all seriousness he does talk about stuff in a way that makes young men feel like, okay, if I follow him, I'm going against the world, you know, I'm, you know, making a path for myself, but in reality they're just teaching you how to buy stuff on Alibaba and resell it?

Nate Williams:

Yes, 200% Exactly, and so kind of a selling you a bill of goods, anything else. Why? What resonates with what he says Like why do people like it?

Speaker 6:

I think it's because young men finally feel like they have a figure that's speaking up for how they feel. I mean, we live in a world now where it's like it's terrible to be a man, like I don't know how to explain it it's just terrible If you're a guy, you're just a terrible person all together. And he's just kind of saying, like you know, down with toxic masculinity, you know we need to bring back masculinity. You know you don't need to be weak, you need to be strong, you need to care for in his words, you need to care for your, your women plural.

Speaker 3:

But I agree with that.

Speaker 6:

But, yeah, it's just he's kind of given a voice to like, I guess, the voiceless in a sense. Okay.

Nate Williams:

Masculinity is, I guess, under siege, you could say. And then he is trying to correct that. Anyone else?

McKenzie Adams:

Any other thoughts.

McKenzie Adams:

I think what he's doing is he's providing a voice for people who don't feel like they have someone to listen to. So, like there's like this need in the call the market, or whatever the market of ideas and thoughts where, like people, young boys know that they have are naturally geared towards certain things. Like you know, they're naturally stronger, they're gonna be more aggressive, they're gonna be more competitive than you know, young girls, that's just how it is. So what he's doing is he's providing a market for those. I feel like, as conservative Christians, we haven't done a good job of providing a market for those kids and showing them what's really like to be a man. So they're getting a a counterfeit version of that, because everyone else has done a good job of giving them the real version.

Nate Williams:

Okay, yeah, I'll agree with that Isaac. Any thoughts? If you think about, it.

Isaac Adams:

he kind of has like men Riz, you know, like what every man wants to hear Men Riz. He says what every? Man wants to hear there's a G word for that, and he like, says it with authority, you know like.

Speaker 6:

Why would you ask what G word I'm all good thinking about was grizzly bear?

McKenzie Adams:

Grizzly bear Andrew Tay has that grizzly bear that the men love, but he just grizzly like gay Riz I don't need to get in this topic right now, Anyway okay, do we pause, isaac, keep what you're thinking.

Nate Williams:

Do we all know what Riz means?

Speaker 6:

Yeah charisma.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Nate Williams:

All right, Mackenzie. That is short for charisma. Why did they didn't go with c or mud, they went with Riz.

Speaker 6:

I don't know, but if he's got that, c.

Nate Williams:

That doesn't sound like. Riz is also just made up, like it's all made up. Yeah, but it sounds good, it flows off the tongue.

Speaker 6:

You know it doesn't. That's two seasons Like pizza. Hey, going off a grizzly bear. That was something like people call other people like a grizzly bear. Yeah, that's not called people Rizley bear, sometimes the Rizard of Oz, the.

Nate Williams:

Rizard of Oz. The list goes on. How you can play off that, isaac, I'm so sorry. Can you keep going with what you're saying?

Isaac Adams:

I think what I was just saying is that you go and off, kind of what you're often saying. People nowadays, like men, obviously don't feel Like there is someone telling them how to be a man. A lot of people grow up without dads who are showing them how to be a man and stuff like that. So when he comes in with this kind of authority or like this is what you do, this is how you are, he looks like a man. You know he works out and stuff, so he looks good. He comes off with this kind of vibe of like I know what I'm talking about, listen me, I'm a man kind of thing.

Nate Williams:

And.

Isaac Adams:

I think that kind of gets people's attention when they start listening to him. It's counterfeit, it's obviously not completely true, but it has true-ish things in it, yeah.

McKenzie Adams:

I get that. Yeah, I think something I'd add to what I said would be that would like the market of like needing these ideas that guys have but they don't have anyone to look to for answers for them, like he's providing answers for things that like guys won't like Typical guy in America wants to have a girlfriend and he's saying hey look, if you want to be a man and have a girlfriend, here's how you do it. A typical guy wants to make money, wants to have nice things, and he's like look, here's ways to do it. And, like we've been saying, it's just a counterfeit way. Like he I mean what he's preaching people are getting what they can have, what he wants, what they want. If they do it his way, it's just not going to be the right way.

McKenzie Adams:

And they're not going to get exactly. They're going to get what they think they want, but it's not going to be what they really want.

Nate Williams:

I agree it's a corrective. If we live in a world of very feminine men, we're taught that aggression and risk taking and some of those things that are in a traditional man's DNA, we're saying those things are bad. He comes in and he wants to correct that and what often happens is you over correct and you go a little bit too far. But before we move to some of those things, do y'all have any other thoughts on why he's so appealing? I also. I'll mention this. He's also funny. Oh yeah, he knows he can be a bit over the top and think about the question what color is your Bugatti? That's like kind of his tagline. He knows he's funny and that's part of connecting with a younger audience. Is having that Riz that hurts my soul.

Nate Williams:

Man Riz, as Isaac says I might use a different word, but anyways, he's top G. He's got everything top G.

Speaker 6:

That's his thing, he's a top G. I think another reason why it's so popular is just because I mean, I mean, if you look at the guy, he's not a bad looking dude at all. He's rich, he's got a phenomenal physique.

McKenzie Adams:

Like one out of 10. What are we saying? Probably like an eight, like it's really good. And another thing, too is like he's kind of like a, like a.

Speaker 6:

I can't think of him thinking of like. He's kind of like a bad, you know bad guy.

Isaac Adams:

Like yeah, you know, I'm trying to say a mother trucker, yeah, bad mother trucker, just because like dude, he's a kickboxer.

Speaker 6:

He's, he's. He fought like 70. I think it was like 77 and nine. Jamie looked that up, I don't know. Wait, he lost. He lost a cut.

Speaker 6:

Yeah, he's, he's been he's been beaten a couple times, but he has a very like good record. Good record, good resume. I mean he's just like anything like. If you think of like what a generic, like tough guy would be, like, andrew Tate is like the first thing that'll come to your mind the tattoos, the physique, the fighting style, the money, everything like. He's just like what we would envision as like Hollywood type bad mother trucker Spencer.

Nate Williams:

I think you want to say something Also.

Speaker 3:

I think a thing that really resonates with the young guys today is they want to hear going back to traditional values, and that's what he says he wants to put out there, yes, so what he does.

Speaker 3:

He does say some good stuff, like we've been talking about. He talks about protecting your women and protecting those around you your family, you know, holding true to your values and also, just like you know, fighting for what you have. And he talks about that. But then he twists it in a way where nothing about nothing about how his life is is actually traditional. But on the surface, like when you first see him, you know you can kind of get behind what he's wanting and then the way that he lives it out is but that's, you know, it's for further into it.

Nate Williams:

Yeah, well, we'll definitely get into that and this is for a lot of people, even though this version of the podcast video and episode videos all that it's for Gen Z, if you happen to be listening and you're not in that age group. Andrew Tate is just really popular guy, social media influencer for former kickboxer, super rich and he's actually I think is he under, I think he's under house arrest at the moment in Romania for human trafficking, something along those lines is that right it's, I think.

Speaker 6:

I don't know if he's under house arrest still. I think he might be, but it went from human trafficking to money laundering and now I think there aren't any more charges. Okay, it's just under house like they're trying to dig up more stuff, but I think the, as far as what I've read, the human trafficking is dropped.

Nate Williams:

Now, okay, money laundering money laundering, okay, and the initial charge it was something called the lover boy method, where he would try to emotionally persuade, manipulate girls onto into some sort of relationship with him, to produce webcam videos and various things that I guess different forms of. I have to be careful because, depending on the word you use, different platforms will censor you. But just various sex, slavery, prostitution. I went ahead and said it regardless, that's, I can go and edit that, edit that out later.

Speaker 6:

I want monetized demonetized.

Nate Williams:

It's over, it's done before it even started, but anyway is it we do have videos of him actually saying that's what he was doing that's not like a.

Speaker 6:

It's not just a charge, like he's like admitted to the past, I think that's like how he sort of got a lot of his money was being like for lack of a better word like a pimp.

McKenzie Adams:

The name of his academy? Oh great, I mean his ph. You know that I can see his program is phd Pimping hose cat or proven hodoo hose degree. His name is the academy, so and how much is the next?

Nate Williams:

like that's awful. Tell me the site that I can avoid and today's sponsor.

Isaac Adams:

We need a sponsor with what you are saying, we're gonna get demonetized hard yeah, pretty much Isaac wants that and your take to sponsor us.

Nate Williams:

But but anyways, now, now we're gonna turn To. Okay, that's some of the appealing elements to what he's saying. Where does he go too far? Where where does he get masculinity wrong, family wrong, culture wrong? What are your thoughts there? Anyone?

Speaker 3:

I think a big thing that he got wrong was talking about how Islam is a better religion, because they actually like fight when people disrespect them, like they will actually kill you if you disrespect them, and that Christianity is a push over religion. All the other religions are pushovers, because we don't kill people or yes, I saw that.

Nate Williams:

If you disrespect Muhammad, they'll come after you. If you disrespect Jesus, christians don't do anything. And yeah, I remember watching that the fall?

Speaker 3:

net logic is really like why does it matter someone like physically defends their religion over if they just use the truth, use you know wisdom with how they go about situations when someone disrespect what you believe. It's ridiculous the way that he.

McKenzie Adams:

Just a disclaimer, cause that's probably like a lot of that's true for like if you're actually like living is in Islam, but there's different sex of Muslim. So, like, if you're like in a Western society like ours and you may a Muslim, they probably don't go to the extreme. They would. They would like Pretty much like not talk to you, they would avoid you stuff, but they wouldn't go as far like you're not gonna say like someone kill you for disrespecting Muhammad in America, just cause they're more liberal in their views. But yeah, I mean, that's the real thing in Islam. Like you, depending on where you are in the world, yeah, yeah, so that's, that's one element.

Nate Williams:

you all talk a little bit more. What is? What are some other things that Andrew Tate gets wrong?

McKenzie Adams:

I mean I think the one. That's pretty clear. That could probably go without saying. It's like just his treatment of women calls you know that's gonna be the. You know he used to claim to be a Christian and like one of the Christian values is like everyone's created an image God. So like everyone should be treated with dignity, even those that we disagree with. So like that's one thing, like if your main goal is to am going to this girl to like me so that I can use her to make money.

Speaker 6:

That's not love, that's just use her as a form of currency, like an object yeah, I agree that's like that's the big thing that I think that he gets wrong Is it's he kind of gets like the self serving kind of ideology when you know he teaches like young boys, only be out, like, only like he didn't want. I just young boys, just really anybody. Just you need to be out for yourself, like everybody's against you. But then, like you know, you'll watch some of these videos and he'll kind of backtrack on that statement and then talk about how important family is. But To me just he's just really hypocritical sometimes but the main just that he gets that is your top G, your top dog. So you, if you want to get to the top, you do whatever it takes to get to the top, and it's just you, you, it's just you yourself and I so I Don't know that feel like he that it's just one of his biggest downfalls, it's just a self-serving ideology.

Nate Williams:

It's Self-serving, hiding behind traditional values. And so what it is is oh look, it's conservative, it's traditional, it's the way things have always been. But that's a Facade. It's a covering for what ultimately underneath is just selfishness.

McKenzie Adams:

Yeah it's.

Nate Williams:

I want to build my platform. I want to sleep with as many women as possible. I'll still trying to maintain some level of respectability, at least according to me. I want to build my kingdom, my wealth, my Whatever, and have it look Traditional, but underneath all that it's just a whole bunch of ugliness. It's all about me. So I think you're right about that. But yeah, yeah, isaac Mackenzie, what you think, mackenzie?

Speaker 5:

Well, it's different. Might be points a little bit different, because as a woman, I'm not what he says automatically. I just, I don't know, I don't have much, you're not looking to get with tons of women.

Nate Williams:

No, I'm not okay.

Speaker 5:

So, as a woman, I see it more of as his ego and pride. Like first, it just comes off as more as I want to answer to myself, I want to dictate other people's lives, but I don't want to answer to something higher like God. So I think, his ego and pride gets in the way and, like you said, he just kind of hides behind the Idea of traditional values.

Nate Williams:

Exactly. And so he has some basic things like a man's protector provider, the woman stays at home and whatever your thoughts on that. But really it's a it's, like I said, a facade, because he wants a woman in this country, a woman in that country, a family here, family there, that he can hop between and go between and do all those things. Now, any other thoughts on that? How he takes things too far. We can move on to my final question for us.

McKenzie Adams:

I think the last thing I'd say is kind of like Like kind of what McKenzie is saying. Like he starts off with like things that we would all agree with and like we like Good job, like that's, yeah, sounds good. The problem is, like that's like what you find surface level. If you just like Google a couple like short clips of him, that's probably what you find. But like the problem is People won't see that whenever, because they don't.

McKenzie Adams:

The people who don't care about him Don't really get deep dive into like the other stuff he's saying. Like he'll say you've got to be honorable, you have to stick up for people. You have to like be a man like all these good values that comes with being a man. Like you know, back in when we were still in wars, like Part of a man's job was to go to war and fight for his country, have a duty and honor. Like he preaches those things. But then, like if you go in and keep listening to him, he'll like you start to see where that starts to become a little bit more to, where, like you're not just doing stuff for others, like you're mainly doing it for yourself so that you can control others.

Nate Williams:

Yeah, and in in his world. I'll mention one negative there are. There are to be honest losers, those who don't make it to the top. Those two aren't able to acquire a lot of wealth. So, and Andrew Tate's world? What do you do with those who fall on tough times? What do you do with those who are mentally ill, physically disabled? Is there anything in his world view that's redeeming for them? Or is it like sucks to suck when, as we know, with Christ and will turn a little bit towards the biblical worldview of masculinity and what it looks like to win and be at the top. But we know that everyone has value, everyone's made in the image of God and regardless of your bank account, what that looks like.

McKenzie Adams:

But any other thoughts.

Nate Williams:

I know let's move more towards that. So we talked about what makes Andrew Tate appealing. It's very reactionary against the, the wussification and the sophistication of men in society. So it's like, yay, good, good, strong men. But then it goes too far. It's like to use women for your personal gain to make a lot of money. It's all about me, me, me. Now let's land somewhere in the middle. Help me do that biblical masculinity. What does that look like for y'all? Jesus, the comes up with a Sunday school answer.

Speaker 6:

Jesus.

Nate Williams:

Blake then says it's the truth that let's dive in a bit more.

McKenzie Adams:

It denerates everything that Zeke and like I saying, and I narrate everything that they're saying Isaac.

Isaac Adams:

I think Jesus is a phenomenal answer, but if we kinda lower it to like something we can live up to, you think like King David, like King David was a man's man, aren't we called to be Christ? Like, oh my goodness, but he was okay. So there's this movement going around now. It's called the warrior poet society Space ladies, men who are like we're gonna be warriors, we're gonna be protectors, we're gonna protect our home, be the man that we're called be, but we're also gonna be in touch with our emotions. We're gonna be able to discipline our children, talk to him, love our wives, love people and be thinkers like in society. So if you think about like, david was probably the first warrior poet. He was literally a warrior. He killed his ten thousandth right and then you have.

Isaac Adams:

He was a poet, he was able to think, he was able to communicate on a deeper level. Then Just, I'm gonna go be a man and be so manly, which is not bad. Like the Bible says, the strength of the use is their glory, or whatever, and gray hair of an old man is his glory. But there's kind of a mix. You gotta have both gotta have both Spencer.

Speaker 3:

I think a thing that can really get twisted is that he, when he has that good value, like, okay, taking care of your body, working out and looking good, it turns from okay, I'm doing this for the glory of Christ, and it turns from that to I'm doing this for myself yes it turns from I'm protecting my woman, my wife, to I'm protecting my Harlem. Yeah, yeah yeah, and it takes like. Okay, I'm being smart with my money and I am, you know. Did you say, harlem, it's heroin? That's what I meant to say.

Speaker 6:

Yeah like like Harlem, new York, you gotta take care of your women.

Speaker 3:

That's what I meant to say like how's your face? I was trying to say Harlow and Harrow and I said Harlow.

Nate Williams:

Like the globetrotters. Yeah, go on Spencer, ignore Blake.

Speaker 3:

Okay, and then go from being smart with your money and making that money to provide to you know, having excess, buying things that you don't know when needs, and just bragging about it, making that all about yourself with yes what you earn, instead of actually glorifying Christ in the things that you do and actually living a godly manly life.

Nate Williams:

Yeah, I'll agree with that.

Speaker 6:

I think the problem with that, though, is that lifestyle has kind of been promoted, like, you know, a godly lifestyle. It's been promoted in our society as super unappealing, and that's just because, like, it's going back to like the self serving thing. That's just kind of how we live the world we kind of live in right now. It's just how can I build myself up, how can I get ahead, so I mean, I don't know, it's just one of those things that, as a young I call myself a young Christian because I've only been at it for probably really taking taking it seriously for about a year and a half now. You know, christ tells us to pick up our cross and die to ourselves daily.

Isaac Adams:

There's a verse that I like. In verse Corinthians 1613 it says be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like a man, be strong. Let all that you do be done in love. It's good verse. That is a great verse Absolutely Zeke.

Nate Williams:

You were going to say something.

McKenzie Adams:

Yeah, I was reaching for my phone, but it's kind of it's kind of a recording at the moment. I can't find the verse, but I know it's somewhere in Philippines. There's only four chapters, so find it yourself. But long story short, it says Consider others better than yourself. So I think sometimes we can like, if we're like just doing a daily devotion.

McKenzie Adams:

I think that's the verse that sometimes we read over and we just like yeah, you know kind of the better yourself and then, but like, think of, like, the impacts of what that would mean and go back to, like what it means to be a godly man. Well, I've said at the beginning, cheesily, jesus, well, if he really is our, the thing we're aspiring to, because we're called to be Christ, like what did he do?

McKenzie Adams:

He laid down his life for everyone else and if we're counting others better than ourselves, that means that, in what Blake said, we have to die to ourselves daily. So if I'm continually counting others better than myself, that means I'm going to go out of my way to serve and sacrifice myself for others. And that could look a lot of different ways. Like you know, if we're in war times, that could look like literally go into war for other people. When we're in peace times, like right now. So when we're in peace times, you know, it looks like hey, like my coworkers need or my friends need, or I see someone who's struggling, like it's going on, maybe financially helping, maybe Literally, like helping them rebuild their house if it's burned out. Stuff like that is laying down your life for other people.

McKenzie Adams:

But then the second part of the verse says Uh In. I don't know if it says or if it implies either way, it says to count others greater than yourself. It's not just speaking to you, it's speaking to all other Christians. So I'm counting you greater than myself and you and you and you and you. That means I don't have to worry about myself Cuz I have five other people looking after me. So it's both in, so you get taken care of and they get taken care of. If we actually lived it out like God, the people yeah absolutely.

Nate Williams:

That's a lot of, a lot of great, a lot of great thoughts there.

Speaker 3:

Isaac Amen Amen Spencer so, blake, I love you yeah.

McKenzie Adams:

That's it. That's it. That's the message. Let's go on.

Speaker 3:

I do have a little bit a disagreement with you on the part that we need to make Masculinity more attractive, like in a biblical sense. I think what we need to make more attractive first is the gospel and talk to people about the.

Isaac Adams:

Oh, I mean, obviously are you saying it's not attractive, the gospel or Attractive to those.

Speaker 3:

But we need it. We need to make the gospel the forefront. Mm-hmm, then yeah it comes to, because if we talk to the world about biblical manhood, that's kind of putting the cart in front of horse because they don't have Jesus.

Speaker 6:

I was only. I only said that just because it pertains to the topic. I totally agree with you. We need to yeah gospel first, and then we can get into the, you know.

Nate Williams:

I think clearly Blake hates the gospel.

McKenzie Adams:

Oh, that's the only conclusion I think that's.

Nate Williams:

That's it, Mackenzie. I do want to cut to you as our resident lady for this podcast episode.

Speaker 3:

The woman can. Now we're going to the woman can.

Nate Williams:

So I guess, mackenzie, you got married and you know Isaac is a pretty great guy. But when growing up Looking for a godly man, a man who was like Christ, what did you look for?

Speaker 5:

as a young lady looking for someone to Lead me and potentially our family one day, I would say the number one quality I looked for was humility and, with that, an understanding of knowing what or where everything comes from, where grace comes from, where mercy comes from which is God, which is Jesus, so that it motivates you to give that same grace, to give that same mercy to lead a family and children that same way. So really just humility, and also a sense of Unwavering stability, of knowing that God never changes. I can rely on him, and because of that I want my family to do the same. I want them to know that they have a strong manly figure to lead them and love them the same way that cross does us.

Nate Williams:

I think that's a beautiful way of finishing our conversation on Andrew Tate Masculinity. What are some things he gets right. What are some things that he does not get right, and sometimes terribly wrong. That's a wrap for today. Make sure to come back. As the weeks go by, we'll have weekly uploads on all these different topics, dangerous life videos and podcast episodes. Follow us on social media. We have Instagram, twitter, youtube, we're on Rumble and all of those things. Facebook as well. Anyways, this is my team, glad to talk with you about Gen Z issues, things going on in faith, culture, life all that good stuff. We'll talk with you later.

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